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[BrainDeadBuster]

You didn't think you could have your cake AND it eat too?

[lmarieaa]

Um, what the heck? That was random. I think it would be great if breeders went out of business. Homeless animals would actually be given a chance I think your a little mixed up man.
I was just saying that there is no way that this bill is going to pass.
Geez, calm down, deep breaths now....

[BrainDeadBuster]

Oh, and before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, by hipocrite I only mean those that are always actively commenting on how owning any amphibian, reptile, ect is horrible, and how we need to get rid of all those bad breeders, but now are defending their ownership of one of such said animals; guinea pigs.

[sophistacavy]

Originally Posted by BrainDeadBuster

You guys realize that PETA is supposed to be one of teh groups backing this bill, right?

Oh boy. Here we go.

And it's the not "teh". Just for your information.

1. Where did you get that information from? Can you provide a link to where you got that info from please? Thanks!

2. Why does that matter? Who cares. It doesn't make much of a difference in my opinion. I'm glad they support it, if that's true. I hope it passes, but again (as I've said before), I hope that someone can clarify it.

I believe it is trying to prevent things such as Travis the chimp type incidents from happening again.
I also drew the conclusion that they are attempting to prevent any further sale, import, export, etc of wild animals as "pets". That is a great thing.

[lmarieaa]

Um, a lot of us, including me GIVE HOMES TO PIGS IN NEED. I really do not know what kind of a point you are trying to make.
Reptiles belong in the WILD, not in tanks in your house. Guinea pigs are not wild, they are domesticated.

[BrainDeadBuster]

No non-natives. Period. They are doing the ban then decide thing. Guilty until proven innocent. Any animal that can survive anywhere that is not native will be banned.

[BrainDeadBuster]

Are you serious? Guinea pigs, gerbils, hamsters; all abused, all imported. Not from here.

[BrainDeadBuster]

Furthermore, there are plenty of reptiles that are captive bred, not imported, that are non-native that will be banned. This is what we want

[lmarieaa]

As I said before, deep breaths....calm......let the nice sounds of the oceans take you.......

[lmarieaa]

Originally Posted by BrainDeadBuster

Are you serious? Guinea pigs, gerbils, hamsters; all abused, all imported. Not from here.

Um, where did you get that information from? Mills are littered all over America. Get your facts straight before you start trouble.

[sophistacavy]

Originally Posted by BrainDeadBuster

You didn't think you could have your cake AND it eat too?

It's actually supposed to be "You didn't think you could have your cake and eat it too?". "It eat too" makes no sense, just fyi.

I could've sworn you were banned or caged or something.......

Anyways, that was a kinda rude comment, dude. You might want to watch it.

[BrainDeadBuster]

Whatever, your fragile world will soon fall apart. None of us should have animals period!

[BrainDeadBuster]

Non-native means non-native. Just because they are in mills, does not mean they are from here!

[BrainDeadBuster]

Oh, so your opinions are more important than mine. BLAH!

[lmarieaa]

Um, are you okay? What is your POINT? You aren't making any sense whatsoever.
I feel like I am having a conversation with my dog regarding whether or not he needs to use the bathroom.

[BrainDeadBuster]

Maybe I am the only one that really supports PETA!

[lmarieaa]

Um Okay? Good for you? You have the magic telepathic powers that travel over the internet wires that determines what peoples beliefs and morals are?

[ferndalezoo]

Originally Posted by lmarieaa

Reptiles belong in the WILD, not in tanks in your house. Guinea pigs are not wild, they are domesticated.

Tell that to my Colombian Red Tailed Boa, my ball python, and my Kenyan Sand boa (2 of the 3 have never seen a live prey item, and wouldn't know what to do with it if they saw one!). Tell that to my Bearded dragon, my green iguana, my son's 5 pet frogs. All of our animals were bred in captivity, and would die if released and forced to fend for themselves. Just because it has fur doesn't make it less "non-native" than a reptile.

The real concern should be the wild capture of animals to be sold on the pet-trade, and the release of non-native species into the wild.

[sophistacavy]

Originally Posted by BrainDeadBuster

Are you serious? Guinea pigs, gerbils, hamsters; all abused, all imported. Not from here.

Everyone's opinions are equally important. But everyone's rude comments are also equally un-welcome and equally un-necessary.

All of those animals are domesticated.

Reptiles, parrots, etc are wild animals, and it is impossible to domesticate them to the extent that we have domesticated other animals. Even if a reptile or parrot is captive-bred, it is born into this world a wild animal, because it's parents are wild, and these types of creatures are non-domesticatable (sp?). Two wild animals in captivity will produce a baby wild animal.

Two domesticated animals in captivity (for example, guinea pigs) will produce domesticated offspring.

In case you didn't know, reptiles and parrots are dangerous animals to have as companions. Because they are wild.

Guinea pigs, etc are not dangerous because they are domesticated.

Certain breeds of dogs are more dngerous than others, even though they are all domesticated. Some are just naturally more inclined to go after prey than others, and some are closer to their wild wolf ancestors than others.

EDIT: http://www.hsus.org/pets/issues_affecting_our_pets/Reptiles_as_Pets.html
Bad pets, because no matter how unable they would be to fend for themselves if realeased into the wild, they are still a wild animal.

[BrainDeadBuster]

Typical one sided answer I would expect from you. Non-native means just that. Furthermore, breeding two frogs that were born into captivity by two frogs that were also born into captivity does not make them wild. Your views are about as one sided and selfish as they come. Now you're claiming that owning birds is dangerous to human health, but not owning guinea pigs. Get off your high horse! You and your self righteous views about how everyone else is wrong who has anything other than a guinea pig or a cat or dog just prove what I mean. Now you think you're the authority on domestication. You are wrong by thinking that you are right to even have guinea pigs. Like I said, if you really supported PETA, you wouldn't even own an animal period. You only own your guinea pigs for your own personal pleasure. Now, everyone else who has anything for a pet you deem "undomesticated" is exploiting them, but not you right.