Discussion on the "Flag CraigsList Breeder Ads" Thread

[Intrepidcub]

You guys are out of control. Why are you flagging legit ads. What gives you the right to go on other sites and police them. Just because something doesnt fall into your ideals doesnt mean you have the right to censor or stop it. I was told not to compare this site to Nazis but isnt that what nazis did got rid of things that didnt fit their ideas?

[Intrepidcub]

and FYI I got my guinea pigs off craigslist by a very knowledgable woman who quizzed me before she would sell them to me and her ad had present listed in it so dont judge others. just cause its listed as a present doesnt mean they will sell them to just anyone

[Intrepidcub]

Guess you never thought that making it difficult to find homes for these animals will force some owner to get rid of them any way they can. and FYI one person you flagged was looking for a home for her young GP cause it was fighting with her other one and she doesnt know what to do with it other than to find it a new home but you flagged her. Maybe she should leave them together and let them fight to the death Since your flagging a way to relocate him. Wouldnt it be more proper to email and let these people know the dangers than to flag them anonymously like cowards?

[gooberific]

Personally, I read the ads and decide for myself whether or not to flag. That topic is discussed earlier in this thread. The point of flagging questionable ads is not to force legitimate people attempting to rehome their pets, but to discourage breeders and do our part to help the pet overpopulation.

I have seen rescues post on Craigslist. I have even taken in one of my guys from a girl who could no longer care for the little pigger, and I never would have found him without Craigslist. However, one of Craigslist's policies is that animals are NOT to be "for sale." I will continue to flag any ad that states an animal is "for sale." Small rehoming fees are acceptable, but over $300 for some pets... that doesn't sound like a small rehoming fee to me.

Many of the ads listing animals available as "presents" are also people who are breeders. I'm not saying all, by any means. "Gifts" around the holidays is a great attention-grabber, and I cannot fault someone for doing what they can to get their animal a good home. Additionally, I have seen several ads stating they have MORE THAN ONE litter of rats, guinea pigs, rabbits, you name it. This is an anti-breeding site. MORE THAN ONE litter... someone is going to have to come up with a really good reason for those to be accidents before I'm going to accept that they are not a backyard breeder. (I can understand if a person is taking in pregnant cavies, or whatever other animal, things happen. But they should say that in their blurb!!)

Welcome to the kitchen.

Edited to add:

Originally Posted by Intrepidcub

Guess you never thought that making it difficult to find homes for these animals will force some owner to get rid of them any way they can. and FYI one person you flagged was looking for a home for her young GP cause it was fighting with her other one and she doesnt know what to do with it other than to find it a new home but you flagged her. Maybe she should leave them together and let them fight to the death Since your flagging a way to relocate him. Wouldnt it be more proper to email and let these people know the dangers than to flag them anonymously like cowards?

If a reason is stated in an ad, I *DO* send emails. If something LOOKS like it might be a breeder, I send an email and ask how their animals are housed. Very rarely, when I ask if they are a breeder, do i get a response back.

(Adding more)
I am a stay-at-home-mom and a full-time college student. I do not spend my entire day reading every city's ads. I can only discuss the times I have gone and looked, and I do read every ad that is posted here, unless it has already been flagged for removal before I see it, so those are the only ads I refer to personally, and the way that I handle them.

[wow_wtf]

Just so you know I am the "breeder" who's craigslist post you flagged. I just happen to have two very loved pets that happened to have a clutch of eggs that I cannot care for. I really would like to know who gave you the authority to decide what I can and cant do with my pets? If you had any decency towards animals you would mind your own ****ing business! Thanks for your time and cooperation : )

Always,
The "breeder"

P.S. I eat bunnies for dinner!

[crazywiggy]

I think Craigslist is a perfectly acceptable way for someone to try to find a new home for a pet they can not keep, or for a potential owner to find a new pet to adopt.

But there are two things to consider here...

1) This site (GPC) is pro-rescue, anti-breeding. Most of the members here feel strongly about this and want to save animal lives by reducing back yard breeding, and promoting adoption. Flagging craigslist ads is one way of doing this. If the BYBs can not get rid of their "stock" they will stop breeding!

2) No one here is deliberately flagging legitimate ads. The rules of Craigslist specifically state under their list of prohibited items "Household pets of any kind... Rehoming with a small adoption fee OK"

In other words the values on CL are the same as on here - rehoming animals is fine, selling animals is bad.

Of course, in some cases it is difficult to tell, but every breeder ad removed is one step in stopping byb's and reducing overpopulation!

[rabbitsncavyluv]

Craigs list does not allow breeders or animal sales. Rehoming only. Read the rules.

[Intrepidcub]

Well I guess I will just keep emailing these people and Craiglist and letting them know this website is the reason their ads are getting flagged. Maybe Craigslist will do something about the harassment of its users.

[CavySpirit]

Craigslist doesn't allow breeders to post ads on their site. It is their policy. Feel free to tell them about our site which HELPS THEM police their own policy.

If you've got an issue with a particular ad that you think is NOT a breeder ad, feel free to reference that ad to dispute whether or not it's a breeder.

We absolutely want people needing to rehome their PETs to do so on Craigslist as it keeps them out of the shelters and rescues and worse.

[Intrepidcub]

how bout this one

The Best Bunnies

This person rescued a bunny that turned out to be pregnant now she has to find home for the babies does that make her a breeder? Sounds like when i bought a 2 dollar fish that turned out was pregnant and had 14 babies.

[rabbitsncavyluv]

You really think we are the only ones flagging breeders? Please. Craigs list doesn't have moderators patrolling the forums. That's why they have the flagging system.

[breezy2]

I will flag an ad only if I am 100% sure it is a breeder. There have been a few, I questioned, so I did not flag them. I am not sure about that one you mention inter, there is nothing mentioned about a charge. If I called them or emailed them and heard they are asking a small adoption fee that is as much or more than it is to purchase one from a petshop, which we are also against, then I would be suspicious. It would sound more like selling than rehoming. I think every person deserves to be able to find a home for their animals that are either unwanted or just that they are unable to take care of, but I don't think they should make a profit from them.

[CavySpirit]

Originally Posted by Intrepidcub

how bout this one

The Best Bunnies

This person rescued a bunny that turned out to be pregnant now she has to find home for the babies does that make her a breeder? Sounds like when i bought a 2 dollar fish that turned out was pregnant and had 14 babies.

I don't know what ad you are reading. Either you emailed this person and got that story back or you're making big assumptions.

MOST people who are pet owners and NOT backyard breeders put in some sad story about why they have to rehome an animal. Quite frankly, it reads like a backyard breeder ad to me. If it's NOT, then the person posting is too ignorant of CL and needs a lesson on how to post properly anyway. It's far better to air on the side of caution and get rid of all the backyard breeder ads than not. They crowd out the legitimate ads. And those posting legit ads need to be darn clear on their ads.

[wow_wtf]

Originally Posted by rabbitsncavyluv

Craigs list does not allow breeders or animal sales. Rehoming only. Read the rules.

Your just a little bit special aren't you??

[Adorable]

Originally Posted by wow_wtf

Your just a little bit special aren't you??

Perhaps you should take a grammar course before trying to insult someone, no?

[RainKindle]

Originally Posted by guineapigluver1

Not to neccesarily flag but this is ridiculus!
male 5 month old guinea pig, looking to trade for female under 7 mnths

I would be highly suspicious of this one. Usually if you are going to breed guineas there are complications if the mothers are 8 months or older. It has to do with their pelvic bone development.

Also, people who are joining this forum just to trash this thread should read this forum's rules and philosophies. This is an anti-breeding site.
There are many back-yard breeders out there that post their litters on craigslist to sell. Not only is that against craigslist rules, but selling litters for profit is not something I want to support. There are too many pets out there that need homes and we shouldn't be buying from careless breeders who are after profit rather than wellbeing.
Responsible breeders don't exist, because if they were responsible, they would see that it is not responsible to add to the problem.
People who say they have no other choice than to "sell" their pet must not have heard of humane societies. No kill shelters, or organizations dedicated to finding homes for their unwanted pets.
If you care about your pet's wellbeing, you simply do not need to "sell" it to find it a good home. I do feel that small animals require a rehoming fee to avoid people who would feed them to snakes. A fee often deters them.
Sometimes legitimate rehoming ads are accidentally targeted. However there are several breeders that disguise themselves with "rehoming fee of $xxx.xx"
Please view
http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/...al-rights.html
and
http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/...you-breed.html

[RainKindle]

Originally Posted by wow_wtf

I just happen to have two very loved pets that happened to have a clutch of eggs that I cannot care for.

If I knew I could not care for my loved pets' offspring, then I would know it to be irresponsible to put my two unaltered pets together.
Most people have a basic understanding of biology and know what will happen in such a situation. In my opinion, either you have that basic understanding and are irresponsible with your loved pets, or you do not have that basic understanding and need to properly educate yourself.
It is good that you are responsible enough to attempt to find homes for your mistake, however cursing and baiting a community that cares about the pets is not helping your cause or your argument.

Please view craigslist rules:
prohibited and restricted items - craigslist

[Intrepidcub]

Originally Posted by RainKindle

I would be highly suspicious of this one. Usually if you are going to breed guineas there are complications if the mothers are 8 months or older. It has to do with their pelvic bone development.
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Maybe they realized they had a male and female and want to get rid of the male so they wouldn't have babies. and want a female closer to the age of their female. I'm sorry i just try to give people the benefit of doubt rather than jump to conclusions and flag.

FYI not everyone knows guinea pigs go at it constantly if they can and when you get guinea pigs and think of them as brother and sister the last thing you think of is them breeding. In the world where heterosexuality and this one man one woman is shoved down your throat its natural to want one of each cause nobody wants a gay guinea pig. So blame the Christians for the unintentional baby piggies that are born.

I admit i have changed a bit from this site I have done more research and learned a lot of new things, some things i agree with and some I don't. I already sent my letter to petsmart about stop selling animals.

[rabbitsncavyluv]

They are animals. They don't really think of "families" and "incest". If you house an unaltered male and unaltered female of the same species, they will breed. Not sure what homosexuality has to do with it. Two boars and two sows can't respectively breed.

[MapleOwl18]

I wouldn't think of them as families in traditional sense either.

After I had left for college, my sister who was still in highschool, decided it would be "fun" to put Marshmallow, our female piggy, in with Mr. Spot our male piggy. Sure enough 3 guinea pig babies pop out.

Now here comes the kicker which kinda negates the "brother sister idea." If you do not remove the male baby guinea pig within 21 days of being born, he will impregnate his mother. How did we learn this the hard way of course.

My sister doesn't take little Cherry out soon enough, and guess what, Marshmallow ends up pregnant by her barely 3 week old son. Needless to say the resulting litter of 2 was very, very white, just like their Mommy, and their daddy ummm brother.

In retrospect, we're really lucky no-body involved was a lethal white, (see the sticky earlier in this forum for more information) as Marshmallow was white and Mr. Spot was brown, black, and white. We're also lucky my mom teaches Junior high, and between her students and my sisters friends, we were able to find happy loving homes for all the babies.

We got lucky! Piggies do go at it constantly and can get pregnant during playtime when just visiting. They're like rabbits, in that their natrual predator defense is to breed. Its one of those defense mechanisms of that they can't catch all of us and if even two survive so will our population. A guinea pig herds natural response to a hawk is to stampede in all directions, to confuse it, but also so that it only chooses one instead of wiping out the entire herd. The herd can easily repopulate one missing guinea pig.

My personal opinion is Petfinder.com is a far better site for people actually looking to rehome their pets, and that if breeders are trying to sell their pets on craigslist they should be stopped. It's against the site policy, and when you consider, some of the people might just be buying them for snake food, a little gross. If they are selling them for snake food or profit, it should be stated up front and the guinea pigs should not be sold under the pretense of adoption.