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[CavySpirit]

Originally Posted by Leea83

Well thankfully for me, I don't have to sit here and actually take this crap.

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I did what CavySpirit said I didn't have the backbone for. So there is your proof. I had the backbone and I still do, because one day, I want to own and operate my own pet store

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See ya!!!!!

Leea, as I suspected, aside from your original post, you do NOT have the backbone to stand up for your position or beliefs. You do not have the smarts or savvy to address the points made here. It's way easier to (choose your own analogy, I can't print mine) ..., than deal with the fact that the reason you can't defend your position is that it's indefensible. Simple as that.

[Justin]

Originally Posted by VoodooJoint

Some people are dead set on remaining ignorant and falsely naive. It makes it easier for them to live with their guilty conscience.

Yes! It truly does make it a lot easier for me, all the time.

Originally Posted by VoodooJoint

It's hard when you are young to admit.

It's hard when you are not young too. It's so hard to admit that I am wrong, even if logic tells me so, because it hurts feelings. It took dozen people to re-assure that I am wrong. Fortunately, this site had more than dozen people.

Also, every single wrong advice, which I got many from Internet and books, can compensate several correct advices when your mind is dead set.

[rabbitsncavyluv]

Sit here and take what? Our legitimate concerns and questions and facts without addressing any of them?

I don't see what backbone you are pretending except the audacity to flounce.

We don't "discriminate" against people who buy from pet stores without knowing any better, only those that refuse to care or educate themselves.

Given the pet overpopulation problem, no one needs to be breeding.

[rabbitsncavyluv]

And what is the issue with the kids and cavies page?

[SJane3384]

Firstly I'd like to say that I agree 100% with the anti-pet store sentiment that (almost) everyone on here has. I just think you guys are going about trying to change Leea83's mind the wrong way. In general I think people tend to listen to other less when they feel like they're being attacked...and that's what it seems like a lot of you guys are doing. It also seems like some of you guys haven't checked your facts very well before trying to argue your point. For example, it's just as easy to go to the Humane Society and get a guinea pig as it is to go to a pet store. There is no background check, and they only make you fill out one form, stating that if for any reason you can't keep your animal you will bring it back to the HS. So saying rescues do a better background check isn't necessarily accurate.

And ArtisticRainey, I don't understand your point. You say people shouldn't "own" animals, and yet you have several pets yourself. That seems like a double standard.

Again, I'm not agreeing that pet stores are in ANY way, shape or form a good thing, I just think there are better ways to change people's minds.

[CavySpirit]

SJane, just for the record, rescues and shelter are two very, very different animals (so to speak). And rescues do in fact, do a much more rigorous job on the whole in qualifying a home. For guinea pigs, shelters don't do much at all. They do the best they can with limited resources.

[Leea83]

The rescues here do a complete check.... and I looked when I got Cody, there were NO skinny pigs available. A guinea pig was out of the question.

As for CavySpirit..... I have the backbone. Good points were made, but when you guys talk about breeders and pet stores, where do you expect to get your piggies from once they 'run out'?????

The reason I've been taking a while to reply is because of a death of one of my greatest friends. So I wasn't coming online.

I was able to get Charley, Cody, Riley and Joey out of the pet store and into loving homes. These are my pigs and utimately its my choice where to get them. I definitly don't agree with what you believe in breeding and what not.

I don't know what else you want me to say, because I'm not gonna break down and cry and beg for forgivness because you guys were right and blah blah blah

I've seen what some pet stores do, and I try my best to make it so that cavies aren't with rabbits and have proper caging, however, when my sources are limited as to where I can get my skinny pigs, I'm going to where I can.

[VoodooJoint]

Originally Posted by Leea83

when my sources are limited as to where I can get my skinny pigs, I'm going to where I can.

Sigh, no you aren't naive at all.

Keep on being part of the problem. Maybe one day you will "get it". So far the entire concept seems to be to far advanced for you.

Now please do hop on off to your magical land of rainbows, unicorns and cotton candy clouds. The reality of the world and this forum seem far too much for you to grasp.

[rabbitsncavyluv]

Why do you have to have skinnies so badly to the point of resorting to pet stores and supporting pet mills?

You didn't address any of our questions or concerns. Potentionally changing the superficial conditions of your local pet stores isn't even touching the iceberg.

[CF#5]

Originally Posted by Leea83

when you guys talk about breeders and pet stores, where do you expect to get your piggies from once they 'run out'?????

We WANT the "supply" of this "product" to "run out."

http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/...053#post358053

Animal Rights: The Abolitionist Approach » Animal Rights and Domesticated Nonhumans

My partner and I live with five rescued dogs. All five would be dead if we did not adopt them. We love them very much and try very hard to provide them the best of care and treatment. (And before anyone asks, all seven of us are vegans!) You would probably not find two people on the planet who enjoy living with dogs more than we do.
But if there were two dogs left in the universe and it were up to us as to whether they were allowed to breed so that we could continue to live with dogs, and even if we could guarantee that all dogs would have homes as loving as the one that we provide, we would not hesitate for a second to bring the whole institution of “pet” ownership to an end. We regard the dogs who live with us as refugees of sorts, and although we enjoy caring for them, it is clear that humans have no business continuing to bring these creatures into a world in which they simply do not fit.

[Leea83]

Originally Posted by VoodooJoint

Sigh, no you aren't naive at all.

Keep on being part of the problem. Maybe one day you will "get it". So far the entire concept seems to be to far advanced for you.

Now please do hop on off to your magical land of rainbows, unicorns and cotton candy clouds. The reality of the world and this forum seem far too much for you to grasp.

I'm sorry, but what gives you the power to insult me?
I know exactly the reality of this world. To prove my point: I watched my sister get raped, I've had one friend die in a car accident, my gram, who meant everything to me, die in her sleep, one friend commit suicide, and my friend Nick was also in a car accident on Saturday.

Now with the skinny pig thing: honestly, I think skinny pigs are that much sweeter, and funnier, soo much cuter as well. A lot of people don't know the proper care for a skinny pig, but I do, so I'm gonna make sure that they go to a proper home.

[Jennicat]

You're justifying supporting mill breeding of animals, and the horrific conditions they come from because skinny pigs are cute?

Really?

I am at a loss for words. I have nothing to say. Puppies are very cute too... does that justify supporting puppy mills?

[Percy's Mom]

Originally Posted by Leea83

To prove my point: I watched my sister get raped, I've had one friend die in a car accident, my gram, who meant everything to me, die in her sleep, one friend commit suicide, and my friend Nick was also in a car accident on Saturday.

And all of this has exactly nothing to do with animal breeding or pet mills. Although, how someone could watch their sister get raped, I will never know. I can only hope that after watching, you got her help and medical attention.

[babybunny]

Leea~ Your first post was to come here and tell us all how not all pet stores are bad, knowing full well the mission of this board and it's owner.

It wouldn't matter if they served them a whole salad bar everyday and let them run around on silk mattresses. Pet stores who sell animals make a profit off a living breathing creature. How can that be good? If you want to come and brag about how you have a backbone to stand up for what you posted then please tell me the answer to the question.

[ArtisticRainey]

Originally Posted by SJane3384

And ArtisticRainey, I don't understand your point. You say people shouldn't "own" animals, and yet you have several pets yourself. That seems like a double standard.

Just because there are guinea pigs living in my house does not mean I own them. The issue is how you see your 'pets'. I have never maintained that they are my property. If I have a child I do not own it. I love it and care for it, but there cannot be an issue of ownership because it is a living creature. You may say that human children can grow up and become independent, thus making a conscious decision to leave; guinea pigs cannot. Why is this? They live in a human-dominated world and cannot survive in the wild. Why is this? Humans have domesticated the 'pet' guinea pig over hundreds of years. While they still maintain many of their ancestors' characteristics, I can't help but thinking that if we set them all free, they would just get eaten with ease. I know they are prey animals; but not every prey animal gets eaten.

Thus, my standpoint is that humans have created this sub-species by breeding and domesticating. If we want to stop this cruelty, then we have to stop breeding. This will still leave us with a lot of animals until they all die off. Thus, it is our responsibility to care for these animals in the best possible way until they die off with dignity. That is my intention with my cavies. They will never be bred. They will be kept in large habitats and given all the medical attention they need. And then they will die.

Note I say CARE for them, not OWN them. It's only a double standard if you maintain the animals in your care are your property. I don't.

Of course, you could try to refute this argument by saying that it is a mere issue of semantics. Perhaps in text, yes. But in my heart, there is a big difference.

EDIT: Oh, and Leea - you ask VJ what gives her the power to insult you. Well, what gives you the power to insult everyone who has posted here by brushing off everything that has been said and laughing at us? The initial posts given were respectful. It was only after you failed to respect them (even if you didn't agree) that people failed to respect you.

[Biscuit]

Originally Posted by Leea83

I'm sorry, but what gives you the power to insult me?

You came to a message board on the internet that is against selling animals as products in pet stores which results in overpopulation, suffering, and death and told them all how wrong they were? And are really horrid at debate 101 and can only helplessly resort to unrelated posts about rape and suicide?

Take things people have said, use the nifty quote feature, and tell us how it is okay to buy a skinny pig because it is cute. Tell us how it isn't going to result in the suffering of more pigs...or tell us why you think the suffering of more pigs is okay.

Originally Posted by Leea83

To prove my point: I watched my sister get raped, I've had one friend die in a car accident, my gram, who meant everything to me, die in her sleep, one friend commit suicide, and my friend Nick was also in a car accident on Saturday.

Yeah, humans are really smart. We should definitely take power over the lesser species that don't rape each other and dictate how and when they should produce offspring. The only point you prove above, is that humans have no handle on our own situation and have no place dictating anything for another species.

Originally Posted by Leea83

Now with the skinny pig thing: honestly, I think skinny pigs are that much sweeter, and funnier, soo much cuter as well.

Nea-toe, you should breed them then sell them at your pet store. I'll get them later from the shelter and rehab them from the horrors that result from impulse buys. You could better the species and be a responsible breeder, and eventually skinny pigs