Guinea Pig Babies Being Euthanized - Page 2

**Susan9608** · #21 12-11-04, 09:46 am

There actually *is* a law that is supposed to protect animals from senseless torture and horrific living conditions - it's called the Animal Welfare Act - but that's to the whole sale gutting of this law by our esteemed law makers, most animals ... birds, mice, rats, rodents ... are now excluded from the protection this law is supposed to provide. And the reason for this gutting? Because birds, mice, rats, and other rodents are the majority of the animals used in "scientific" experiments.

**Susan9608** · #22 12-11-04, 11:35 am

oops ... I meant to say "thanks to the whole sale gutting of this law ..." instead of "that's". Just typing too enthusastically, I guess.

**misspigglie** · #23 12-11-04, 01:25 pm

OK, Sorry about the caps key. I just wanted people looking to adopt a pigglie to know about these babies that are being Euthanised. I just want these babies to have a chance. Thank you for the extra info on USDA, I am going to look more into it. I also will be looking in my area for pigglies needing rescue from shelters & unwanteds by breeders. I will do my best in finding homes for the ones I find. I do have to worry about my resources, and make sure I give my pigglies the best care. I understand that part of it, but I can take in piggies & adopt them out when I find good, loving homes. I also can let others know about the babies being destroyed. Maybe that will help some babies in the long run. misspigglie

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Originally Posted by CavySpirit

misspigglie, please unstick your caps lock key. Thanks.

I have a page on this site (it's listed on the right-hand column of the cavy cages home page) called USDA Regulations. On that page, you'll find a link to the current public information of everyone who is registered with the USDA. You can rest quite assured that virtually NO hobby or show breeder of cavies (or anyone who visits the yahoo groups and forums) is actually registered with the USDA. If there is anyone, they would represent about 1% if that. You can read more about the USDA on my page and the links from it. http://cavycages.com/USDA.htm

Since you posted that Euth link, here's another link the cavy breeders use: http://www.alysion.org/euthanasia/index.html

**AngelsCavies** · #24 12-11-04, 01:44 pm

When I saw both of the site on how to do it. All I did was cry. It hurts Id rather go to the vet and let them do it by shots not that. I dont understand why breeders must get rid of the ones that cant make it to the shows. Keep em as a pet or give them to people that cares.

**AngelsCavies** · #25 12-11-04, 01:45 pm

I just think that they are animal killers by doing that. It the animal is not sick and they are perfictly healthy then why kill. I dont want to say much more cause I will say my part and Im not gonna tell my husband about this cause he will have a fit about people who does that.

**Susan9608** · #26 12-11-04, 01:51 pm

The only way to make this kind of nonsensical behavior stop is to make the breeders accountable for what they do ... and to bring about an end to guinea pig breeding as well.

Everyone needs to write to their senators and congresspersons and tell them about these types of atrocities and encourage them to propose or vote in favor of animal friendly legislation. It's all well and good for us to bemoan these tragedies amongst ourselves, but nothing will come of it. We have to take action .... being it writing letters or organizing protests outside of pet stores and breeders' shows or boycotting.

Breeders wouldn't breed if there wasn't a market for the animals which makes them profit. So if we cut down on their profit by not purchasing animals, we will help make it financially impractical for them to continue breeding guinea pigs.

Poohbear · #27 12-11-04, 08:15 pm

those people are awful

**misspigglie** · #28 12-18-04, 09:04 pm

They really are very heartless and selfish it seems to me.

I am just going to rescue as many as I can provide for. I have recently rescued 2 female americans. They are really beautiful. They act like they don't know what a carrot is for. Weird. Anyway, I will focus on the needy piggies in my area. It's all I can do for now. I also have checked out the PETA website about animal cruelty. Lots of info. Thank you everyone for your support and ideas, misspigglie

**endzie** · #29 12-25-04, 05:37 pm

That is just simply appalling. I cant believe there are people in this world that would do such a thing.

Poohbear · #30 12-30-04, 09:09 am

that is horribe

**mncavylover** · #31 12-30-04, 10:33 pm

Horrible, appaling, heartless--yes to all. But all too common, and not punished either. Just imagine the scandal it would be if these animals were human. But alas, they aren't--so not many people care. How utterly sad.

**90katrina90** · #32 01-05-05, 11:47 am

That is absoloutly horrid!! I've bred guinea pigs 4 times in my life.. that's 4 litters. - I asure not every breeder is like that! I know lots, and they care & love their animals. This is a rare, cruel way of breeding that should be stopped. Those are the sort of breeders who don't breed because they love guinea pigs, they do it because they want money and awards from shows. I show mine also, and none of the breeders there would ever do anything like that.. I'm in the UK though.. where are you?

**endzie** · #33 01-05-05, 02:14 pm

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Originally Posted by 90katrina90

That is absoloutly horrid!! I've bred guinea pigs 4 times in my life.. that's 4 litters. - I asure not every breeder is like that! I know lots, and they care & love their animals. This is a rare, cruel way of breeding that should be stopped. Those are the sort of breeders who don't breed because they love guinea pigs, they do it because they want money and awards from shows. I show mine also, and none of the breeders there would ever do anything like that.. I'm in the UK though.. where are you?

A lot of the people on here believe in adoption, not breeding.. and are firmly against showing.. so just an FYI.

**RubyPiggie2** · #34 01-05-05, 03:35 pm

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Originally Posted by 90katrina90

That is absoloutly horrid!! I've bred guinea pigs 4 times in my life.. that's 4 litters. - I asure not every breeder is like that! I know lots, and they care & love their animals. This is a rare, cruel way of breeding that should be stopped. Those are the sort of breeders who don't breed because they love guinea pigs, they do it because they want money and awards from shows. I show mine also, and none of the breeders there would ever do anything like that.. I'm in the UK though.. where are you?

I think Teresa is going to ban you. She already said that she was very close to banning you. Now before that happens, how old are you? I think breeding anyway is a cruel way of breeding. Now if it's accidental, or you didn't know any better, you could make it better. But you bred intentional. You knew the risks...
You do know showing is very stressful for a piggy? What kind of cages/conditions do you keep your pigs in, at home and on show?

**Access** · #35 01-05-05, 03:48 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide
"OSHA limits carbon dioxide concentration in the workplace to 0.5% for prolonged periods, or to 3% for brief exposures (up to ten minutes). OSHA considers concentrations exceeding 4% as "immediately dangerous to life and health." People who breathe 5% carbon dioxide for more than half an hour show signs of acute hyper

ia, while breathing 7–10% carbon dioxide can produce unconsciousness in only a few minutes."

CO2 is not a painless way to die, not at any level of concrentration. Also the release of excess CO2 into the atmosphere is environmentally unsound and a hazard to any other animals and people nearby, especially babies, small children, or other small animals. Since CO2 is a heavy gas, it will tend to congregate at the bottom of a room where it will be breathed by other small pets. As the wikipedia article describes, even a 4% concentration is 'immediately dangerous to life and health'.

Even for a terminally ill pet in severe pain, I'm sure there are better ways. The pet should die knowing you love it (ie. being held and cuddled in its last minutes of life) rather than be placed in some container and gassed without any human contact.

Leaving your pet to die in a container, without any direct contact is not a way for a pet to go -- his last thoughts would be abandonment / panic not love / comfort. No responsible owner would want that.

**joab97** · #36 01-05-05, 09:09 pm

A friend of the family went clear out to ohio to get a dog..the owner was going to put him down b/c he couldnt be shown anymore..said his hips where messed up. She went out and got him. The vet x-ray his hip just to look..He is a perfectly healthy dog. They just didnt want him. He is now a certified siezure dog. Our friend started taking siezures and he pulls her to the ground and lays on her until she comes too. The person who certified him said he is the best she has ever seen,,even better then the dogs they raise to do just that. She went and got his sister latter. They were going to put her down too. My point is these people are heartless and cruel. And it's a shame I have to breath the same air they do.

**DocDolittle** · #37 01-05-05, 09:26 pm

I know what you mean. I was once watching this special report on service dogs, and there was a beautiful labrador retriever that was being shown all over the place, and she won all sorts of things. But then, some kind of freak accident happened where the dog got lost and these stupid teenagers decided it'd be fun to torture her and they put a rubberband around her mouth. A shelter found the dog about a month later and returned her, but the rubberband had dug into her skin and grown under it. They surgically removed it but it left really bad scars on her nose. The owner didn't want her any more because she wasn't showing material, so she left her tied up outside of a local pet store. The pet store gave her to a second chance rescue, where she had the qualities to become a seeing eye dog. She wasn't trained as a puppy, but she was trained well and now she is in a wonderful family home where they have a blind grandfather taking residence. It's such a bitter-sweet story.

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