Argument

[Fay]

I'm personally not trying to make you upset we just want to try and make clear to you that you should not breed. So please don't.

[TX_2_Pigs]

edited because I didn't like how it sounded and thought better of it after I hit the post button.

I sincerely hope you think about what everyone has said about purposely breeding and choose not to do it.

[VoodooJoint]

Originally Posted by sollyrules

There we go again, someone calling me selfish, i hope your all very happy about making someone really upset!!!!!

From what I have noticed in life you have to give your permission for someone to make you feel badly. If you are upset then maybe you need to look long and hard a why you are upset. Usually it is because you know, and are silently ashamed, that what they are saying is true.

I have had people call me an animal abuser because I keep my guinea pigs and rabbits inside instead of outdoors in hutches so they can have a "natural" life. I even had someone accuse me of abuse because I sent 2 rabbits I rescued to a House Rabbit rescue instead of setting them free in the wild. Those types of statements do not bother me a bit because I know, with no self doubt at all, that they are 100% false. I usually just laugh at people that make statements like that.

The fact is, breeding just to create babies in an overpopulated world is a selfish thing to do. It is not an opinion, it is a fact. Your desire to have cute babies is overriding what is best for the animal and the world in general. you can act selfishly or unselfishly. The choice is yours so you had better think long and hard about why you want to breed and what the repercussions could and will be.

[wolfie]

The purpose was not to upset you but to make you think through your decision. You have received plenty of practical and pro-rescue advice, so I won't repeat it.

I have a different question for you. When an adult makes a decision or choice, they do so knowing that they will bear full moral responsibility for whatever happens as a result of their choice. If the results are bad, an adult knows they will have to bear that burden of conscience.

When you make a choice or decision for your pets, you are also morally responsible for what ever happens because of your choice. I'm sure that right now you feel positive that the sow will have a litter without any health problems, the babies will be healthy and you will be able to find the best possible homes for them. But what if something goes wrong?

If something goes wrong saying " I didn't think this would happen", I didn't mean for this to happen" or even "I tried my best", will not be enough. You will still bear that burden of conscience.

The decision to breed your guinea pig is yours to make. I only ask that you think through every possible result before you make your decision. If the sow dies or you are unable to find homes for the babies and must place them in a shelter- are you willing to accept to accept that burden of conscience? I hope so, because that burden will be yours to bear.

[TX_2_Pigs]

Originally Posted by VoodooJoint

If you are upset then maybe you need to look long and hard a why you are upset. Usually it is because you know, and are silently ashamed, that what they are saying is true.

This is exactly what I was trying to say, only it didn't come out as well, which is why I chose to edit it.

Thanks VJ for articulating my thoughts much better for me.

[salana]

I dont want to be right

Well, breeding is certainly a way to not be right...

i hope your all very happy about making someone really upset!!!!!

We're not out to make you upset. We're out to educate you and help some pigs. You get upset about being educated--that's your choice. You don't like it that we're trying to help your friend's pig more than you are? Also your choice.

And as long as you go ahead with the breeding, we're not going to be particularly happy, no matter your emotional state.

[Cavy Cuckoo]

i hope your all very happy about making someone really upset!!!!!

I hope you are happy as well for making someone upset. In fact, multiple people - almost everyone on this thread. If you havn't noticed already, we look down upon breeding. Knowing that we can better educate someone who is going to breed anyways and worsen the life of yet another innocent animal is VERY upsetting.

We're not trying to be rude or harsh or anything of the matter. We are trying to educate you on the facts. We are trying to save you the horrible trouble and effort it takes to raise young pigs as well as a pregnant sow. We are trying to save another life of the pet we have all come to know and love.

It is all very, truly upsetting.

[seagirl96]

Last Saturday I spent some time at a rescue with over 70 pigs. They have rehomed over 500. You are making me VERY upset by making more piggies. A lot of those rescue piggies had horrible lives until rescued. Some can never be rehomed because they were severly injured, like the one in Hartford who was dumped in a vacant lot, got stuck in a chain link fence and broke his teeth trying to chew free. His story made me cry. That is what I call upset.

[animalhouse]

All I have to say to this is WOW. A lot of this info is very true. And as far as comparing to human babys.. hmm I personally, want to adopt. I feel there are too many un-wanted children in the world to have one of my own. I would love a adopted baby/kid just the same! Human babys have the same thing going for them as Guinea Babies, They are young, and cute, so they are usually the first to get adopted/sold. Then when the Baby/Child gets older, the person realizes how much work they are.. And sadly, Guineas get abandoned, or killed. Humans, Don't. They are yours forever! And they are your responsibility. Guinea, and animals are looked at like "Throw aways". If your living situation changes, or financial things change, give them to someone else. Human children, aren't that easy to rid of.

I don't know, maybe I don't make sense, But this is how I feel about it.

[daftscotslass]

Originally Posted by VoodooJoint

From what I have noticed in life you have to give your permission for someone to make you feel badly. If you are upset then maybe you need to look long and hard a why you are upset. Usually it is because you know, and are silently ashamed, that what they are saying is true.

I couldn't agree with this more. None of the posts have been personally insulting, just factual. Being selfish is all about doing things for your own benefit rather than that of others. Can you really, truly say you are wanting to breed the guinea pigs for their benefit? If so, for what particular benefit? I've yet to see a valid answer to this question from any breeder/wannabe.

If you're upset it's because these facts have hit a nerve with you, end of.

[sollyrules]

Well If Ive made you sad, personally I dont care!! Youve made me sad aswell,
If you managed to read the actual thread you will see that my mother wont let me get a pig from a rescue and will only MAYBE let me have the babies.


Im not going to return to this thread/forum part of site ever again because your making me so sad, im not sercretly ashamed or anything which is what you may think, its because ive purely had enough of nasty people trying to hurt me!

[seagirl96]

The members here believe that it is wrong to breed because there are too many piggies in the world already. You come here and tell us that you're making more piggies so that MAYBE your Mom will let you keep some????? If we say we don't like it, we're being mean to you? What happens to those babies you made when your Mom says NO? Why didn't you ask her FIRST? WHY would you think she will change her mind because you have shown her how irresponsible and illogical you can be???

[naturestee]

No offense, but if your mother won't let you adopt an animal perhaps you should wait until you move out of the house to have more? There are more important things than having more guinea pigs right at this moment. I waited until I finished college to get my own pets, surely you can too. At least after college I was able to pay for vet care. Do you work? Can you pay for vet care now? Especially emergency vet care (super super expensive) if your sow has complications with her pregnancy. And can you get yourself to the vet in an emergency?

[Cavy Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by sollyrules

Well If Ive made you sad, personally I dont care!!

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Now we're getting ridiculous. It's not nessecary to worsen the guinea pig population and KILL more just so YOU can get what you want RIGHT NOW! If that's not selfish I don't know what is.

[thalestral]

selfish
1.devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others.
2.characterized by or manifesting concern or care only for oneself: selfish motives.

I'm sorry, but which part of that is not true to your situation? And if none of it is a lie then what right do you have to be to be upset? Saying you are "a person who wants to breed her guinea pig because she will love the guinea pig babies more than a rescued guinea pig" is just the same as saying you are selfish. Putting your own wants and needs above that of your pets is just that, selfish. Putting your own wants and needs above that of pets everywhere is just that, selfish.

You are giving such a bad name to young guinea pig owners everywhere. You might be upset, but you certainly aren't upset for the right reasons.