Oh Please Answer This Question With All Your Infinate Wisdom

[Mrs.Doolittle]

I have moved this post to a new thread from this post: http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/kitchen/23114-simple-question.html#post263102.

Ok....

I have to ask this question because I am curious as what kind of answer I am going to get from those that think I am doing wrong by saving an animal whether it be in a petstore or a mill.


Lets say that you all can change the world and the day has come where all petshops that sell animals are out of business. No more ever again.
Then the breeders are out of business. No more breeders ever again.
Now you have accomplished what you wanted to. The world is amazed. No more breeders and nasty mills and petstores that support them.

Your last pet has crossed the rainbow bridge and you are all alone with no pets so you decide to call your local rescue and adopt another.
But wait...the rescues are all out business because the breeders are out of business and everyone has adopted the last of the animals that were left from the mills and petshops.

Now how do you continue to have pets and loving family members to hold at night while watching TV etc....
Does someone let a male and female they have left breed so they can have another pet.........OH HEAVENS NO. That would constitute breeding and that has been banished.

Does this sound crazy and ludicrist????
Of course it does. You have all stated that it can be done. We can fight and put all of these breeders and petshops out of business.
Answer me what happens when this day comes.....how do we have more pets. Without breeding a pair pets will be gone forever. Do you see how crazy this sounds that this will ever happen???
Never ever ever are we going to live in a society without breeders. Can you tell me how in your perfect world of NO BREEDERS and NO PETSHOPS that sell animals are we going to continue to have pets.

Lets say that today right now....all breeders are out of business and all places that sell animals that buy from breeders. All of the animals will go to rescues all over the world to find homes. Thats a lot of animals I agree but if no more are allowed to breed ever again it would stop the population of pets. All of these pets go into homes and at the most 12 years or so down the road they have all crossed the rainbow bridge. What do we do now?
This is the outcome of your ideas. Stupid as it may sound how I am putting it...this is the outcome if everything you want to happen comes true.
This is your idea of saving them all at once put into perspective many years down the road if it all came true.

CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW YOU WILL HAVE ANYMORE PETS IF YOU DO NOT ALLOW BREEDING TO SOME EXTENT!

I expect brilliant answers from all of you and don't say "Well that will never happen that we would stop the population of all pets thats just a stupid way of looking at it, thats impossible"

No its not if you stop all breeding. Thats what you want because I have read from many that there is no such thing as a good breeder. So go ahead and stop all breeding...lets say its all stopped at this moment. Where are our pets going to come from when the ones that are left are gone in a few years. They won't last forever and with no breeding we won't have anymore in petstores or shelters or rescues.

With all your infinate wisdom answer this question for all of us who don't understand.

[Hansel]

If all petstores/mills/etc were put out of business because the demand to buy stopped then we would have a new situation on our hands. By no means are people here saying that these animals should go extinct.

If/when this situation would happen it would be ideal to have breeders who are educated and responsible producing pigs for people who specifically want them. Not breeding hundreds at a time and selling them to petstores.

Look on petfinder and do a search for guinea pigs. In my area alone there are tons up for adoption. I can only imagine how many pigs there are in shelters in the U.S.

The point is this. There are far too many homeless animals in shelters today and there is no need to breed and add to the overpopulation of animals in the shelter.

In the instance that every breeder stopped breeding today, it would take maybe 6-8 years for the species to totally die out. Obvioulsy there would have to be breeding to keep them around. That is never going to happen when people continue to feel bad for the pigs in the store and buy them to "save" them. This goes for any animal btw.

[VoodooJoint]

Originally Posted by Mrs.Doolittle

I expect brilliant answers from all of you and don't say "Well that will never happen that we would stop the population of all pets thats just a stupid way of looking at it, thats impossible"

You cannot expect "brilliant answers" when you ask an illogical question.

If you actually believe that our goal is to stop all breeding forever and ever (amen) then you are living in a fantasy world.

If you think we actually have the power to stop all breeding then you are dillusional.

Few people that strongly advocate rescue and anti breeding believe we are, or desire to be able, to stop all breeding with the result being the extinction of a species.

What we want is an end to the horrible overpopulation of animals that results in euthanasia, neglect and adandonment.

That overpopulation is caused by the pet trade industry, children and BYBs. If we can stop the pet store industry from selling animals, expecially unspayed/neutered animals, we make one step in the right direction. In turn the mills and BYBs would go out of business as they would have no one to sell to and the children would have a harder time getting breedable animals.

If we educate about the overpopulation and the option of rescuing to the general public we can cut off some of the money pet stores and breeders get.

It would be nearly impossible to go after each and every breeder as long as they have a market. If we target the petstores and their customers then we will have a ripple effect and if we come across a breeder or two along the way that we can stop then all the better.

As far as there being no responsible breeders right now, I do agree with that statement. How can there be "responsible" breeders when animals are being euthanized daily due to the overpopulation? Drop the numbers, stop the killing and then I will listen to what a "responsible" breeder has to say. Until that time they are only contributing to the problem.

[jthocker]

What about the people in Peru that are breeding them for food?

[VoodooJoint]

Originally Posted by jthocker

What about the people in Peru that are breeding them for food?

What about them? I don't understand your question as it relates to this discussion.

People breed different animals all over the world for food purposes. I cannot assume to understand the true complexities of being poor and trying to raise/grow food and I am lucky to have never been in a situation where I or my family was threatened by starvation.

I can't speak for everyone but at this time I am concentrating on stopping the overpopulation of animals in the pet capacity. I doubt the poor in Peru have an overpopulation. How can they when they eat what they breed? I have no interest in going after the farmer breeders in Peru and instead want to see and help their economy improve so thay they have enough food to not worry about starvation period.

[daftscotslass]

I would forgoe the selfish, inherently human need to have pets if it meant an end to animal cruelty.

[wolfie]

Let's look at the utopian world you have described. There are no more breeding mills, BYB or pet stores that sell animals. If you were to advocate "responsible" breeding there would need to be standards of care with enforcable rules and guidlelines. Frankly even our great- grandchildren are not likely to see this situation occur. Why not advocate responsible breeding now? You cannot successfully handle an overpopulation problem and advocate responsible breeding at the same time. To understand why not, you only have to look at dogs to understand .

The AKC is supposedly an advocate for responsible breeding practices. And while they may be successful at promoting healthier breeding practices for certain breeds, they have in no way managed to reduce the overpopulation of dogs in shelters and rescues. In fact, every AKC sancitoned litter that is born provides undesirable competition for homeless dogs in shelters. Not to mention the number of sanctioned dogs that will end up in shelters or rescues because guidelines are not enforced or are ineffective.

As long as an animal overpopulation problem exists, there is no reasonable way that rescue advocacy and responsible breeding can share common ground.

The people here are passionately devoted to rescue advocacy. You may think that they are too rigid in their thinking, but in order to be successful, they must be remain focused and committed to their primary goals.

[exsNohs]

Quick question, Hansel. How do you did what you did to the person above me?? I mean like how it says you "thanked him" for that post. Sorry off topic, but I've tried looking at the FAQ's and can't figure out how to do that..

[daftscotslass]

You need to have been a member for more than a month to give thanks.

[Hansel]

Thanks Daft!

[exsNohs]

Ok.. but my month mark will be coming up pretty quick.. So that doesn't really answer my question of how to do it.. Will there be a link on the bottom of their post or something?

[Hansel]

There will be a "Thanks" button next to the "Quote button".

[exsNohs]

Ok. Thanks.

[jthocker]

Looks like some one has too much free time.

[Hansel]

LOL, that really made me laugh! You should be an English professor 3mpets! I will have to watch my posts now.

[VoodooJoint]

I unapproved the grammar, punctuation, spelling post. It has nothing to do with the debate at hand and was more of a personal attack then anything else.

It is the mods' jobs to address posting issues if/when they come up. We do not appreciate or allow members to do that job for us.