Oh Please Answer This Question With All Your Infinate Wisdom

[VoodooJoint]

Flouncing, poor posting habits and name calling are all against the rules. If you get yourself moderated or banned bacause of them don't bother trying to say we are censoring your views. You are welcome to speak your mind if you can do it in an adult manner.

[daftscotslass]

So much for "I am going to do one more post than I am done with this ridiculous argument."

[Hansel]

I think we have established the fact that yes; animals must be bred in order to survive.

There has to be an equilibrium in regards to the amount of animals being bred vs. the number of homes that will keep them.

My numbers are just an example here. If there are only 1000 home in the U.S that are willing house guinea pigs why are you saying it is ok to breed 10,000 guinea pigs?!

What members are saying is that *if* the day were to come when pet stores and mills were eliminated there needs to be a balance.

Go ahead and ride off into the pretty little sunset on your high horse but your mentality is contributing to the overpopulation problem, which in turn is condemning these guys to death. Congratulations.

[fairysari]

Mrs. Doolittle, the question you psoe has been asked and debated before. Here's one thread, which contains links to others as well: http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/...re-halted.html

[CavySpirit]

Originally Posted by Mrs.Doolittle

You Moved My Last Post Because It Is Off The Subject???????

The Argument Has Been Whether She Should Save A Pig From A Petshop.
You All Say No Because You Don't Want To Support Breeders Or Petshops That Have Pets.
What Is Going On???
My Question Is The Subject.
I Can Not Believe That Now When I Pose This Question People Are Fummbling Around Saying If All Breeders Went Out Of Business Then We Would Have To Educate Breeders To Do It The Right Way.
What A Crock.
You Don't Want Them Extinct But You Want To Put Breeders Out Of Business.
Make Up Your Minds People. You Are So Lame When You Are Pushed To Answer A Question. Well We Would Have To Educate Breeders To Do It Responsibly. Why Not Do That Now Instead Of Letting Innocent Animals Die Everyday To Prove Your Stupid Selfish Self Absorbing Point.
I Have Not Got One Good Answer That Does Not Include Breeding. Breeding Is The Only Way To Allow Us To Have Pets. You Don't Have Babies Without Breeding People.
I Am Cancelling My Membership As Of Now. Keep Working Towards Nothing And I Will Continue To Save The Poor Animals You Are Leaving Behind. You Are Nothing More Than Contributing To Animal Abuse By Closing Your Eyes And Walking Away From Poor Defenseless Creatures Just Trying To Prove Your Point That Lazy People Are The Ones That Would Rather Picket Outside A Building While Animals Are Starving Inside. I Am Surprised You Don't Take Your Own Pets And Use Them For Examples.

First of all, let me say that the system automatically changed her original post from ALL CAPS to upper and lower case. It prevents shouting posts.

And yes I moved your post to a new thread. You brought up (in a very inflamatory way, I might add) an entirely different issue.

You never managed to come close to addressing the issues which were raised about your reasoning on buying an animal in a pet store.

Now you want to address an entirely different issue, one where the assumptions in your question are incorrect and the whole notion itself is purely hypothetical.

I will not allow the issue of what someone can choose to do today be diverted with drama of what's never going to happen in the future--the extinction of the guinea pig.

Talk about grade school, your continuing to post such bunk even though proof points have been given to you reminds me of a kid sticking their fingers in their ears, squeezing their eyes shut and blabbering to themselves so they don't have to listen to what anyone else has to say.

So, since you can't respond now, I guess we'll just keep working toward 'nothing' and contributing to animal abuse while you save all those we leave behind. And we're supposed to be able have an intelligent conversation with this mentality?

[zippysmom]

Originally Posted by daftscotslass

I would forgoe the selfish, inherently human need to have pets if it meant an end to animal cruelty.

What about the elderly? You may have a family, friends, and a lot of people to interact with. The seniors need a companion because they can't always connect to people.

Correct me if I'm wrong but a human has three types of needs, social needs, physical needs, and phsychological needs. Are we supposed to miss out on love and affection? A human can't be a human unless it has a loving and loved heart. A pet can't be a pet unless a human loves it. Is this selfish?

[zippysmom]

Since there is no such thing as an educated breeder right now, what makes you think there will be one later?

[salana]

I'm not sure that people NEED animals. I'm not entirely worried at the moment about pets ceasing to exist.

[daftscotslass]

Originally Posted by zippysmom

What about the elderly? You may have a family, friends, and a lot of people to interact with. The seniors need a companion because they can't always connect to people.

Correct me if I'm wrong but a human has three types of needs, social needs, physical needs, and phsychological needs. Are we supposed to miss out on love and affection? A human can't be a human unless it has a loving and loved heart. A pet can't be a pet unless a human loves it. Is this selfish?

Complete generalisation there about the elderly. By this logic anyone, old or young, who is starved of affection or socialisation should go out and get a pet. It is not always appropriate to get a pet if you cannot "connect" with human beings, nor does everyone in such a situation want a pet.

[pamziaw]

I have a class on sustainability at uni and something a lecturer said once was 'the only pollution is people', and its highly true! If there were only animals and plants on the planet then there would be no global warming, not shortage of rainforest, no shortage of fossil fuel, so as to do pets need humans the answer is no they do not. The planet balences itself out ecologically and its humans that have affected that balence as we are the only species that changes our environment to suit us. Although in doing this you have to remember that pets did not suddenly turn up on our door with a hanky wrapped round a stick looking for a home, we domesticated them and got them used to us. Now that they are used to interaction with humans and are domesticated we cannot leave them in shelters unhomed as we decided to change their behaviours patterns so it is our responsability now. Technically they do not need us, however as it is our responsability for them now we must take care of them as best we can.

Having read back through that post i believe it can be shortened to... *shrugs*

[Fay]

I don't get such people that come on here just to pick a fight, just to want to be right. Anyone who can see longer then their own nose can see we don't want the guinea pigs to get exctinct, we want to cruelty to get extinct.

Right now we are against breeding because it's unnecesary and adds to the problem of overpopulation and suffering of the animals. Another reason why we are against breeding is because a lot of breeders just do it for the money not to mention that any breeder that loves these animals should know better then to add to the problem in this manner so there are no responsible breeders at this time.

[jdomans]

This is from one of my favorite chinchilla sites
chincare.com/ Home
they list what a responsible breeder should be/do. This is just one on the list:

(A responsible breeder) [FONT=Tahoma]Does [/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]rescue[/FONT][FONT=Tahoma] or cooperates with rescue/ re-homing organizations in their area as a way of being accountable for their actions and the needs of the animals they breed. Realizes that rescue/ re-homing work is necessary for gauging what the output of their breeding program should be. Will even stop breeding temporarily in the event of an overflow of unwanted and homeless pet chinchillas in their area. ( I added the bold to make the point)[/FONT]

[evilnumberlady]

Originally Posted by zippysmom

Since there is no such thing as an educated breeder right now, what makes you think there will be one later?

I think that the general idea that breeding in and of itself is irresponsible when there is an overpopulation problem. There may be breeders who are responsible in all other ways except that one. If the overpopulation problem were suddenly magically gone, then those breeders would then be the responsible variety.

However, all long as there *is* an overpopulation problem, all breeding is irresponsible.

[HowietheGreat]

For all those puppy mill buyers, it is as simple as this. For every animal bought from a BYB or puppy mill, another animal replaces it. The cruel breeders grow richer and the the animals suffer longer. Can you buy them all? Go and buy your puppy mill puppy and then go back next week and look into the eyes of the one that replaced it. Go look at the mother who produced them. Go look at her sore pads, matted coat and unloved face. Go tell her that by buying one you are doing good. Go tell her when she is bleeding to death from her 12th litter of pups that YOU ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING!! Can you hear her cry in pain? No one else there does. You have no idea what you are saying or trying to sell. Go visit these places. Go educate yourself with the horrors that occur there and then come back with this same weak argument and irrational beliefs.