Simple Question

[mkkayla]

JT if for no other reason buying your hay online from kleenmama will save you money per pound of hay over what you are paying at Petsmart. Add to that the quality is hundreds of times better AND you won't be supporting Petsmart. There really is no reason that I can think of to continue buying your hay there. Shipping to you is really reasonable since she is on the west coast-shipping to me is whol 'nother story but even so I SAVE money by getting it from her. Kleenmama's Hayloft :: Home Check it out.

[Hansel]

I am able to save so much money by buying from KM. A 50 lb bag of pellets is $25 and $25 for shipping. Break that down and I am paying a single dollar a pound. A 5 lb bag of crap food at the petstore costs between $8-$12. It is the same for the hay. I buy 50 lbs of hay for $50 so again $1/lb. The petstore charges $13.50 for a 96 oz bag which is only 6 pounds, so you are still saving over half and getting 100% better quality.

[Percy's Mom]

Originally Posted by jthocker

On the topic of pet stores, I go to Petsmart when i need hay. There the only ones that carry it around here. Even the place where i buy Oxbow doesnt have it. But im not supporting the sale of animals Im Supporting the sale of hay. Thats called supply and demand.

If there was a profit bucket for the money from supplies and a profit bucket for the money from selling pets, you would be correct, you would only be supporting the sale of hay, or at least only the sale of supplies. It doesn't work that way though, primarily because PetSmart, PetCo, whereever doesn't see them as animals, they see them as merchandise. All of the profits from the sale of all of the merchandise goes into one bucket. Yes, you are indeed supporting the sale of pets.

I'd bet that if the place you buy your Oxbow pellets from could order that Cavy Performance for you, they can also order any of the Oxbow hays for you. If you tell them you'll need it on a regular basis, they may be willing to get a bag or two with each of their regular orders. That's also called supply and demand. You demand, they supply. They want your money, and they're already a distributor for Oxbow, so it would just mean calling up and asking for a different product in the next shipment.

[mkkayla]

I didn't know any Targets sold animals; if that is true I'll stop shopping there as well even though my local Targets don't. Any money I spend here goes to support the corporation and if that corporation is selling animals they won't get any more of my money.

[standuprookie]

jthocker, your location says you live in San Diego, is pet smart really the only place in San Diego that sells hay?

[Coopdog]

I'm glad you saved your piggy from that store. However, knowing that they still sell animals, I suggest you give them no more of your business, be sure to tell them why and that you will spread the word to anyone who will listen. Then find another store.

[zippysmom]

Originally Posted by Percy's Mom

If there was a profit bucket for the money from supplies and a profit bucket for the money from selling pets, you would be correct, you would only be supporting the sale of hay, or at least only the sale of supplies. It doesn't work that way though, primarily because PetSmart, PetCo, whereever doesn't see them as animals, they see them as merchandise. All of the profits from the sale of all of the merchandise goes into one bucket. Yes, you are indeed supporting the sale of pets.

Like she said, oxbow doesn't carry hay. Are you against her buying timothy hay for her guinea pig?

I am not an extreme person on going great lengths just to feed my guinea pig oxbow hay. Like I said in a different thread, if nobody buys the animals they won't sell them. I can't do anything about the personal decision of other people. All I know is that I'm not the one buying the animals or breeding them.

[Percy's Mom]

Originally Posted by zippysmom

Like she said, oxbow doesn't carry hay. Are you against her buying timothy hay for her guinea pig?

What? Oxbow definitely sells hay. It's one of their staple products. If you had quoted the correct part of my statement, I suggested that they ask the place they are getting their Oxbow pellets from to order the hay for them, so there would be no reason for them to buy it at PetSmart.

[fourbwabbys]

Well then I guess they made a mistake in their website URL.

Oxbow Pet Products | Welcome

[jthocker]

jthocker, your location says you live in San Diego, is pet smart really the only place in San Diego that sells hay?

I should change what it says. I live 30 minutes from downtown San Diego. The closest place to my house that sells hoy and not pets is 45 minutes away. Its just too hard to go there and get stuff with my wife and baby.

[Jennicat]

Originally Posted by zippysmom

I am not an extreme person on going great lengths just to feed my guinea pig oxbow hay. Like I said in a different thread, if nobody buys the animals they won't sell them. I can't do anything about the personal decision of other people. All I know is that I'm not the one buying the animals or breeding them.

I can certainly see how buying hay online and having it shipped to your front door at a cheaper price than you can buy it from a pet store that sells live animals is very difficult to do and extreme.

[Djakarta]

You can purchase hay here in San Diego from the HRS. Hay ( and Carefresh) can be purchased from their store in Clairemont on the first and third Saturdays of the month. Hay purchased from them is $10.00 for a 9 pound box, Carefresh is $14.00 a bag.

You can also purchase hay through Avian and Exotic Veterinary office in Mission Valley. Hay purchased there is $10.00 for a 9 pound box.

Or, if you want some of the best hay on the planet, you can buy hay online from KM's hayloft. If you buy the 45 pound box, it will be just under $50.00 ($22.00 + $27.47 shipping = $49.47)- which works out to be the same price per pound as buying it locally in the 9 pound box size. KM's hayloft delivers it to your door, so you could argue that it is actually cheaper to purchase it online, since it saves you time and gas.

[standuprookie]

I have to drive an hour into Dallas to get my pellets. I buy my hay from a feedstore about 15 min. away from my house. I have to buy it by the bale but I always have enough and it comes out cheaper than buying little bags. I also give some of my hay to my step-aunt to give to her mother. (her mother has two pigs that she takes horrid care of and hopefully they get a little joy from some fresh timmy hay)

[zippysmom]

Originally Posted by Jennicat

I can certainly see how buying hay online and having it shipped to your front door at a cheaper price than you can buy it from a pet store that sells live animals is very difficult to do and extreme.

I can certainly see it's very extreme since there are no oxbow stores near me.

[FuzzButtLover]

Originally Posted by Susan9608

Humans absolutely can effectively control their reproduction 100% of the time - they can *choose* not to have sex. Is that reasonable? Of course not. But in *choosing* to have sex, people are making the decision to deal with any complications, including pregnacy.

I agree with this a lot, but it isn't the case for every humane on Earth. Teenagers don't know what they are doing all the time, when people get drunk they don't know what they are doing, and when someone gets raped they obviously don't WANT to get pregnant, all of these things just happen. That is why people either get abortions (sp.) or get rid of the baby when it's born. When teenagers get pregnant and have a baby, sometimes they give the baby to an adoption agency because they arn't ready to care for a child. Any ways that is my opinion on that, although I do agree with you that humans can control their reproduction to an extent. I believe that breeders are pretty much makeing the males rape the females. The animals reproduce by instinct so they agree, but it doesn't mean that the animal that is born should suffer because it is taken to a pet store. I would have taken that little pig. I would of tried to get it for free though. I wouldn't want a little child who was born from someone who got raped to suffer just because I wanted to stop this particular thing. That is why I am confused on the subject "to buy or not to buy" I don't know what side to take. Save the poor animal from suffering and further make the problem worse or leave it to suffer and get killed, then more animals no matter if that one was bought or killed, be sold. I don't know how to just put an end to selling pets in stores. I want them to stop selling them, but what will happen in the future after they stop selling. All the guinea pigs in rescues will be adopted out. Then since there is no breeding then how will this work. I have just been thinking about this for the longest time and finally splurt it out. I want to know what everyone else thinks on this question, "What will happen in the future after they stop selling". Although I am all for the stop of animal cruelty and breeding animals and selling them, I am just confused on that question. I will be looking forward to this input. Hopefully not a huge arguement, let's just talk it over sanely like sane human beings.

So the real question is "where to draw the line" Where should you stop, why, and how can you resist?

[fourbwabbys]

Teenagers don't know what they are doing all the time, when people get drunk they don't know what they are doing, and when someone gets raped they obviously don't WANT to get pregnant, all of these things just happen

Oh please. By the time you're a teenager, you know the risks. You choose to get drunk, by doing that, you take the chance for something to happen. Rape, on the other hand, unfortunately can not be controlled. But really, how many pregnancies around the world occured from a rape? The vast majority are fully aware of what they're doing.

Not the "if we stop breeding all the pigs would die off" question again.... Just do a forum search, theres a billion threads on that topic already.