Well if you only listened - Page 2

**emoxrobot** · #21 10-12-06, 08:56 pm

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Originally Posted by fourbwabbys

Yep, I got that message out of nowhere when I tried to log in one day. Then they lifted it, and banned me again for absolutely no reason.

Nope, if anything is said to make them look like they're not the heavenly perfect forum of all time, then it can't be viewable to the public.

This topic still makes me furious. They banned me 2 months ago, and I still get pissed off thinking how they can get away with that.

Edited to add: Daft, I saw your intro thread. What were the PM's about? Sorry, just being nosy.

A member there was sending rude posts (the member Voodoo mentioned above) and he also sent me some rude pm's also. He must have looked at my myspace page becuase he was making fun of PETA and things like that. Pretty much a whole lot of childish things. The funny part was this member thought daft and I were the same person.

Anyways it is over and I don't regret posting my opinion at all.

**daftscotslass** · #22 10-13-06, 02:06 am

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Originally Posted by fourbwabbys

Yep, I got that message out of nowhere when I tried to log in one day. Then they lifted it, and banned me again for absolutely no reason.

Nope, if anything is said to make them look like they're not the heavenly perfect forum of all time, then it can't be viewable to the public.

This topic still makes me furious. They banned me 2 months ago, and I still get pissed off thinking how they can get away with that.

Edited to add: Daft, I saw your intro thread. What were the PM's about? Sorry, just being nosy.

I found out that a member who claimed to speak many languages was actually using Babelfish to translate sentences for the Spanish-speaking breeder when he was supposedly fluent in that language. As a result, I got a number of PMs calling me a bunch of inventive names insulting my intelligence.

I obviously hit a nerve.

**strigercake** · #23 10-13-06, 09:19 am

I have also read that post just today and it is disgusting. I am glad this person stopped breeding, but as she said she knew what she was getting into when she started. Some of the people are saying it isn't her fault and don't feel bad, things like this happen and it can happen with humans too. Well you know what, I feel it is her fault because she helped contribute to their deaths.

And then to compare guinea pigs to humans....please. There is no comparison there. I think some humans shouldn't be able to reproduce either, but that is a different story.

You guys that were on that forum posting, you were just stating the facts, they couldn't take it. A certain person just kept on repeating themselves over and over acting immature and she/he had the nerve to say you were immature. This person better take a good look at themselves.

Good job even if you were banned or had your privileges taken away. There will always be another person to take your place and state the facts on the matter of breeding.

**DaCourt** · #24 10-13-06, 12:15 pm

I posted...just to say that I was sorry for her loss, which I am. I also mentioned that sometimes it takes being hit over the head to wake us up. I told her that I hope her pain goes away but that she always remembers it so that maybe she can help teach others from her mistakes.

I may have sugar coated it a little because I wanted to see what kind of responses I got.

**Lydia** · #25 10-13-06, 01:07 pm

Hmmm... my impression from reading this thread and the one over at the "certain un-named other forum" is that they can only handle the sugar-coated version. They aren't willing to accept the facts as just that: facts.

DaCourt - I read your post there and it did get a much more positive response. Have you been banned yet? I think that your attempt is a good one; and helps to guage what members there can handle.

I'm by no means at all, ever, in support of breeding, but when I started my hedgehog research, I went to the best forum I could find (and pretty much every hedgie forum I have ever found supports breeding - including the major online rescues, believe it or not). There were no better options for advice; the breeders there were the most knowledgable ones on care. Kind of a catch-22 for me. How do you get good care info on hedgies when the only ones with the good info are the breeders who you're opposed to?!?

Ironically, if I try to respond to a post on this website about hedgies, I can't refer anyone to a pro-rescue, anti-breeding forum for hedgies; there are none, which seriously sucks. Frankly, if I have a hedgie care problem, I personally have no better options than to contact these very breeders myself. I hate it, but it's true. Very rarely do vets know anything about hedgies and I'm often educating even the specialist, based on information I've learned! Argh!

Thankfully for cavy-lovers, this forum exists and there are much stronger and more reliable sources of care info available (like GuineaLynx). My rambling point is this; perhaps there are members on 'other' forums who are just simply ignorant, or who don't realise that better sources for information exist. Perhaps a wee touch of sugar-coated-truth could help those particular members to realise that there's a better way. In my mind it's kind of like explaining vegetarianism; some people respond better to the "Meet your Meat" blatant message and others to a slower, more subtle apporach. I'm not at all saying to not speak the truth (and I totally support emox and Aertyn for what they said), but maybe to speak the truth gently to the right audiences; tailoring the message in hopes that those who are just simply ignorant of a better way can "see the light" and get out. The breeders don't care and never will, but I just hope that those who haven't gone there (to breeding I mean) can maybe be prevented from taking those steps through a slow and steady infiltration process.

Just rambling... feedback welcome.

**DaCourt** · #26 10-13-06, 01:20 pm

My post had a little sugar on it, but it was still honest. I pointed out the mistakes she had made. I think I actually said it more than once. I showed compassion. Because I honestly think that since she has finally had some sense knocked into her, and that she is feeling pain, that maybe she will really learn from this. I think that those that posted from here were right in what they said. I don't think they should have been crucified for it. What they said was in hopes that others would read it, and see what the dangers are. I basically just took what they said, and put my own spin on it.

Hopefully others will read her story and learn from it. I hope they read how much pain she is in, knowing that she caused it. Those were her words. Maybe it will stop at least one person.

**cookie_gal** · #27 10-13-06, 01:30 pm

Are you ScooScooemmy DaCourt? I think that was a better way to put it as someone who is upset won't take any notice of what they see as harsh comments. Besides which I think so-called 'sugarcoating' is a much better option as no-one will listen to being told outright they're wrong and if you have a go at them (even if you think you are not but they think so) they are even less likely to listen.

We may not like the sugarcoating option but I think it works better, at least to start of with.

**DaCourt** · #28 10-13-06, 01:34 pm

Yep...I am ScooScooEmmy. I think by my signature, it is very obvious what side fo the fence I am on.

Ya know, if others had not commented on what was said, the OP may have actually agreed with them. I think it was others stirring the pot.

**cookie_gal** · #29 10-13-06, 01:42 pm

There's quite a few pro-rescue people there now I believe. I think she has realised her mistake in breeding, just a shame it was not realised beforehand! The thread got a bit out of hand I think.

As I've said before, I love my piggers and would never dream of doing anything to hurt them so would never dream of breeding them. I just don't see, how, with all the evidence around, that poeple can say they love their piggers and yet breed them...

**daftscotslass** · #30 10-13-06, 03:57 pm

To be honest the person who slated emoxrobot appears to be notorious for stirring it up.

**emoxrobot** · #31 10-13-06, 04:15 pm

Yes, sugar coating may help people in that forum, but I enjoy VoodooJooints approaches so much more only because she gets to the point and she is honest and intelligent. I am not very good at pretending to be partially understanding in any way to people who I feel don't deserve it. I think that I did a pretty good job not flaming or yelling at people on that forum even though deep down I had a few choice words for a lot of them.

That one member who likes to stir up trouble I have no respect for and I honestly think he's extremely ignorant. I didn't do any name calling, but he started throwing rude comments my way.

I got to work on my people skills. (ha ha)

I am no longer going to go to that board even when my banning is over because there is no getting through to them except to wipe their noses and give them a hug or say it isn't their faults. Yes, it IS your fault and your actions resulted in the deaths of a living creature's life. No I am NOT going to be nice to you because of it.

I understand what you mean Lydia. Your situation is a hard one. Maybe you should start your own site/forum. I know it's a lot of work, but maybe it would be beneficial.

The only reason I found cavycages was because I used to go on that other forum and I read all this horrible stuff about this forum. I was curious as to the way tings went on here. They bad mouthed it so badly here I was afraid to post anything at first. Now this place is important to me and I have learned that a forum that is all "cute and happy" all the time does not make it an informative and helpful one. Actually it is kind of sickening.

Lots of love to everyone here at Cavycages. Without you I would definitely go nuts.

**cookie_gal** · #32 10-13-06, 04:26 pm

yeah she just wanted to be made to feel better but really with the amount of info out there she should have known it was a risky thing to do. So, was she really sorry to her piggers.

I do find this site more informative, I trust the information given a bit more.

**DaCourt** · #33 10-13-06, 04:46 pm

What's funny, is that the OP herself said it was her fault. She admitted it. And still, people attacked you, even though you were only agreeing with her. I know when something bad happens, we alwyas say, oh it's my fault, if only I had done.....The OP even said she wasn't going to defend herself. I think she knew there was no defense.

**Lydia** · #34 10-13-06, 05:04 pm

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Originally Posted by emoxrobot

Yes, sugar coating may help people in that forum, but I enjoy VoodooJooints approaches so much more only because she gets to the point and she is honest and intelligent. I am not very good at pretending to be partially understanding in any way to people who I feel don't deserve it. I think that I did a pretty good job not flaming or yelling at people on that forum even though deep down I had a few choice words for a lot of them.
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I understand what you mean Lydia. Your situation is a hard one. Maybe you should start your own site/forum. I know it's a lot of work, but maybe it would be beneficial.

I totally agree with you that the 'straight' sell is definately a great way to go. My thought process, though, is more for those members who are new to cavies or at least new to online forums... often they are looking for advice and when they get a friendly ear (in this case from those we know to be unethical breeders), that builds up a loyalty towards these people. I know that I still feel a degree of that to the 'more respected breeders' (and please understand that I'm coming from the VERY limited world of hedgie advice, so this phrase ironically applies) as they helped me through some major health crises with our boys, and there would have been no other source of reliable help available. And then in these cases, when the person they feel to be their mentor is "attacked", these members may respond aggressively, based solely on their sense of relationship and indebtedness to the more 'senior' people who gave them advice. Did that just make sense?

Anyhow, I'm just thinking that specifically, and only, for this particular type of member, that the 'sugar-coated' approach could be helpful, so that they can start to see the breeders for what they actually are, and understand that the pro-resuce/anti-breeding types aren't just crazy yahoos, but actually the people whose opinions are WORTH respecting... and then in that sense they will (hopefully) come to their own realisation that there are some *special* people these whose opinions aren't worth 2 hoots and they'll high-tail it outta there!

Again - rambliness...

PS - I only wish I could start a decent hedgie forum, but I'm no expert myself and don't feel that I'd be in a place to speak authoritatively on a lot of issues... maybe one day, but definately not now. If there are any hedgie experts out there who are pro-rescue and anti-breeding out there who want to start one up and need a mod, though, then let me know!

**fourbwabbys** · #35 10-14-06, 05:08 pm

They blocked Cavy Cages from their site again, what a surprise. I love this forum, I'm glad you decided to stay here emox.

Thank you Lydia for this useful post, says:
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