Some things I noticed in Petco Yesterday...

[Susan9608]

These great breeders that you keep talking about, do they have their animals mate to produce more animals?

Of course they do; that's what breeders do.

Therefore, of course it's these wonderful breeders' fault, just as much so as the irresponsible breeders, that animals are dying in shelters. These animals they breed and sell take homes away from the animals in shelters.

[TrekkiesUnite]

Originally Posted by Susan9608

These great breeders that you keep talking about, do they have their animals mate to produce more animals?

Of course they do; that's what breeders do.

Therefore, of course it's these wonderful breeders' fault, just as much so as the irresponsible breeders, that animals are dying in shelters. These animals they breed and sell take homes away from the animals in shelters.

Lets think logically for once, is taking 1-8 homes away a year really making that big of a difference?

[Susan9608]

Lets think logically for once, is taking 1-8 homes away a year really making that big of a difference?

Gee, for those 1-8 animals put to death because they don't have a home, I imagine it is a really big difference. And it's a big difference to me because it's not okay with me that ANY animals are killed just because there aren't enough homes for them.

[standuprookie]

Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite

Lets think logically for once, is taking 1-8 homes away a year really making that big of a difference?

If they only have sell 1-8 dogs (which is not likely) it may not seem like alot but it is for the 8 dogs that have to be put under.

Can you go into a shelter look a homeless dog in the eye and say "No sorry I don't like your coat looks like you will have to be put to sleep."

[Percy's Mom]

Depends on what you're showing. Showing animals for the most part is cruel. With small animals, they're stuck in a small cage, usually with no food or water, because it would be messy and smelly if they went to the bathroom. Strange people scoop them up, poking and prodding, and a lot of small animals are coifed completely unnaturally, often letting their hair grow so long, the poor things can barely walk or see, but it looks really pretty when it's all brushed out.

The only purpose of most dog shows is to prove that a breeder can pick the right two animals and make them have sex, so they pop out the perfect example of the "breed standard." Showing and breeding go hand in hand. Except for a very few shows that are skills tests and agility courses, that you don't necessarily have to be pure bred for if you have the right trainer, there is nothing in it for the dog. The others are just beauty paegants that are only to reward the breeder. Dogs want to play, work, flop on their people's laps on the couch, not be brushed and tugged and pulled and have strangers examine every inch of their being.

Originally Posted by TU

Lets think logically for once, is taking 1-8 homes away a year really making that big of a difference?

Logically, is there only 1 breeder in the world? Multiply your 1-8 by 1,000. Or make it easier to picture. In any state, there are easily 100 dog breeders. The 1-8 homes a year just became up to 800. Multiply that by 50 states, and you have up to 40,000. On the 6 highly habitable continents, that becomes 240,000. 240,000 homes not given to incredibly adoptable loving animals yearly because breeders produce and sell their dogs. And that doesn't take into account cat breeders, various birds, guinea pigs, mice, hamsters, etc.

[TrekkiesUnite]

Originally Posted by Percy's Mom

Depends on what you're showing. Showing animals for the most part is cruel. With small animals, they're stuck in a small cage, usually with no food or water, because it would be messy and smelly if they went to the bathroom. Strange people scoop them up, poking and prodding, and a lot of small animals are coifed completely unnaturally, often letting their hair grow so long, the poor things can barely walk or see, but it looks really pretty when it's all brushed out.

The only purpose of most dog shows is to prove that a breeder can pick the right two animals and make them have sex, so they pop out the perfect example of the "breed standard." Showing and breeding go hand in hand. Except for a very few shows that are skills tests and agility courses, that you don't necessarily have to be pure bred for if you have the right trainer, there is nothing in it for the dog. The others are just beauty paegants that are only to reward the breeder. Dogs want to play, work, flop on their people's laps on the couch, not be brushed and tugged and pulled and have strangers examine every inch of their being.

I understand the Rodent shows, but with dog shows yes it is to reward breeders, but those are usually the responisble breeders who only do 1-2 litters a year and all the other things I have described. And with most dogs that are for show they usually only do shows for about 2-4 years at most and then are given to good homes. And I don't know about you but all my dogs have always loved to be brushed.

And the argument that those 1-8 dogs that were put down, it sure sucked for them is a very bad argument in my book. Living beings die all the time, it sucks, its sad get over it. It is not that there are enough homes for them, there are plenty of homes for them, it is just that not everyone wants a pet. Even if there was no breeding and all that was available where pets in shelters many would still be put down due to lack of homes. The gain in my opinion would not be worth seeing certain breeds disappear. Really think, if responsible breeders stop breeding that wouldln't save that many dogs, Millions would still be put down. 24,000 is still only 2.4% of 1 million, and seeing as there are more than 1 million it is probably less than 1% that would be saved. Yes it is sad but making all breeding stop is not the answer, if that happens then there will soon be no pets for anyone.

[standuprookie]

Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite

And the argument that those 1-8 dogs that were put down, it sure sucked for them is a very bad argument in my book. Living beings die all the time, it sucks, its sad get over it.

This comment really pissed me off. They wouldn't need to be put down if breeders would stop breeding and people like you would go to the pound, why won't you. I don't know, you don't want a mutt or a dog with a "flaw", well to bad everybody and everything has flaws.(including you)

[Susan9608]

And the argument that those 1-8 dogs that were put down, it sure sucked for them is a very bad argument in my book. Living beings die all the time, it sucks, its sad get over it.

What a callous, s****y, as***** thing to say. I sure hope you're singing the same tune when one of your family member dies or one of your pets die. Somehow, though, I doubt you'll see things quite that way when it's someone *you* love who is dying.

It is not that there are enough homes for them, there are plenty of homes for them, it is just that not everyone wants a pet.

If there are people out there that don't want a pet, then those people and their homes cannot be considered available to the homeless animals in existence. Obviously.

Really think, if responsible breeders stop breeding that would save at most maybe 1000 dogs, Millions would still be put down.

Maybe it's just me, but I tend to think that 1000 dogs are worth saving. That seems like a large number to me. And you cannot possibly know that only 1000 dogs would benefit. If *all* breeding was halted, sure in the beginning, lots of animals would still have to be euthanized, but that practice would become less and less common and less and less needed until such a time as there was no overpopulation problem.

I don't know what's wrong with you, but some of your comments are starting to border on unacceptable on this forum. If I were you, I'd cool my jets a little before posting again, otherwise, you might find that your audience is not quite so receptive to this little performance you've been treating us to.

[CavySpirit]

I think you are on the wrong forum. Time to move on. Please go find a breeders forum that likes your 'logic.' You are 'showing' your breeding stock mentality colors and it is not welcome here.

[CavySpirit]

I've demoted you to Cavy Person. You have lost your privilege of posting in the Kitchen.

[daftscotslass]

Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite

And the argument that those 1-8 dogs that were put down, it sure sucked for them is a very bad argument in my book. Living beings die all the time, it sucks, its sad get over it.

Yep, it's really natural to have a needle stuck in your neck to stop your heart beating.

[Jennicat]

Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite

Lets think logically for once, is taking 1-8 homes away a year really making that big of a difference?

YES! I work with the local small animal rescues. It can take MONTHS for us to place 8 homes. Sometimes more than a year. We've had pigs born in our rescue that will probably die there of old age. And while those 8 spots are full of the pigs we already have, we have to turn away the ones that we would normally pull from the shelters. So it really causes our animals not to have a home and other animals to be put down.

[Hildi Barnett]

I appreciate the comment on PetCo. I too would like for them to stop selling small animals, and applaude efforts of people on the forum to educate people. But as piggie owners, we do have to buy supplies, and I am not always up to driving across town to the small pet store that doesn't sell animals to buy them. So I have PetSmart and PetCo to choose from. I have made an effort to find a store that doesn't, but Target doesn't sell Timothy Hay anymore. So when I am required to choose between the lesser of two evils, I hope that you can communicate to management in language they understand---dollars. I will choose the one that does a better job of making the piggies comfortable and safe, and will encourage others to do so as well. Good luck with that, your influence can make a difference.

[DaCourt]

See, I don't think twice about the drive. I make a 40 minute drive to get orchard grass. No big deal. We have a new adopter who does not have a Centinella Pet Supply near them. They don't sell animals. So they said they will buy in bulk and make the trip once a month. More if needed. See, there are ways around it. You have to be WILLING to do what it takes.

[CavySpirit]

You do not need to buy hay or food from any petstore. It is cheaper and better and EASIER to buy it on the net and have it delivered.

The ONLY item that makes sense to buy from a pet store is bedding, only because it's not cheaper or easier to have it shipped. And it usually doesn't take too much effort to find an alternative source and stock up or use an alternative bedding - all the time or sometimes.