Some things I noticed in Petco Yesterday...

[standuprookie]

Like we all said before, they still sell live animals, so it really doesn't matter.

[Susan9608]

What you seem to be failing to understand is that to most of us here, the things you posted about Petco don't seem positive.

There is such a thing as Responsible breeders, which is where we got our Newfoundlands, 2 of them which were my Mom's before I was born were Newton Arks which was a very respectable line, the other 2 were Playgaurds which is also a respectable line.

You also don't seem to understand how despicable that sounds. Most of us here don't care about "respectable lines." We care about the dogs - and about 25% of which are purebred - that are wasting away in animals shelters.

How responsible is it to continue to create more animals when there are enough homes for the ones already in existence?

No one "attacked" you; we just pointed out why your Petco "positives" don't seem so positive to us.

You seem just determined to praise and defend not only pet store, but now it also appears breeders. You're entitled to your opinion, but you won't find a lot of respect or support for such an opinion on this forum.

What you don't seem to grasp is that this forum is not the place to exclaim over the wonderus improvements Petco has made (and I still maintain that what you described are not great improvements). The only improvement any of us want to see is the elimination of animals for sale in their stores.

[Percy's Mom]

Actually, what happened was when you pointed out what you thought was an improvement, we pointed out that it is still a horrible awful existence for those poor animals, and the stores are still feeding the pet mills that stock them and contributing to the immense overpopulation of animals. Therefore, being that this forum is anti-buying anything from a store that sells animals, anti-breeding as long as there are animals in shelters and rescues that need adopting, and very pro-rescue, that store could be the Taj Majal with the animals safely running free range in rooms seperated by sex and species with a caretaker that makes sure they have clean water, hay, veggies, and the best pellets 24/7, and we are still going to debate the point that the animals should not be there. Period. The end.

As far as dogs go, that is a whole other debate that you appear to want to start. There are hundreds if not thousands of dogs in shelters that need adopting as well, and there is no shortage of pure breeds among them. There's no need for any animal to be bred to be a pet, no matter how well they are being treated in your eyes or what restrictions the breeder puts on the people purchasing their animals. Bottom line, breeders force animals to mate until the female is pregnant, babies are born, money goes into breeder's pocket.

[PiggieMom]

Don't buy when shelter animals suffer and die.

[TrekkiesUnite]

All I am saying was that what I saw was an improvement, and much better than what I have seen elsewhere. I am not trying to start a debate about dogs, I was just using it as an example. but one thing I would like to say, is that most people get purebreeds from respectable breeders becuase then they are sure to get a dog that is free of genetic disorders. Many of those dogs that are purebred in shelters are not from responsible breaders and usually have genetic issues. If they were from a respectible breeder odds are the breeder what claim the dog back. The one and only Newfoundland we got from a shelter was one of these dogs with genetic issues. We didn't know anything about this and he died a year or two later from a heart condition that all the dogs that were in the litter he was in that was rescued later died from aswell. That is why I suggest that when you adopt a dog from a shelter know what you are getting, now don't get the wrong idea, I am not against adopting pets from shelters, I have had many SPCA pets that have lived long healthy lives, I am just saying that there are also many sickly animals in shelters due to poor breeding.

I have read so many threads in this forum about how poor the conditions the guinea pigs were kept in at Petstores that I thought one that was a little positive might lighten up the forum a little bit, but I guess I was wrong.

[Susan9608]

I have read so many threads in this forum about how poor the conditions the guinea pigs were kept in at Petstores that I thought one that was a little positive might lighten up the forum a little bit, but I guess I was wrong.

Yup, you were wrong. This is not a place that praises pet stores. When they stop selling animals as merchandise then we'll sing their praises at the top of our lungs, but until then, no praise.

[TrekkiesUnite]

Originally Posted by Susan9608

Yup, you were wrong. This is not a place that praises pet stores. When they stop selling animals as merchandise then we'll sing their praises at the top of our lungs, but until then, no praise.

I wasn't praising them, I just said it looked better than what I saw elsewhere, I wasn't saying all praise Petco, they are gods among guinea pig retailers.

[Percy's Mom]

Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite

but one thing I would like to say, is that most people get purebreeds from respectable breeders becuase then they are sure to get a dog that is free of genetic disorders.

Unless the breeder had an accidental pregnancy and chose not to disclose it because he might lose money. Or something happened genetically that wasn't planned or indicated ahead of time. Genetics isn't an exact science.

Many of those dogs that are purebred in shelters are not from responsible breaders and usually have genetic issues.

Or the owner was about to move and didn't feel like getting lectured by the breeder for turning the dog in. Or the owner got bored and lazy and decided not to contact the breeder.

I am just saying that there are also many sickly animals in shelters due to poor breeding.

And there are many sickly animals that breeders cull because they can't sell them.

[TrekkiesUnite]

Originally Posted by Percy's Mom

Or the owner was about to move and didn't feel like getting lectured by the breeder for turning the dog in. Or the owner got bored and lazy and decided not to contact the breeder.

Only problem with this is that if this happened the owner would be in breach of a contract and could press legal issues which most people would not want to deal with and if it did happen the breeder would reclaim the dog.

[standuprookie]

praise - yourDictionary.com - American Heritage Dictionary
Just thought you should read that.

If you weren't praising then what was the point of this post?

[TrekkiesUnite]

Originally Posted by standuprookie

praise - yourDictionary.com - American Heritage Dictionary
Just thought you should read that.

If you weren't praising then what was the point of this post?

Like I said I was trying to post something that was actually positive in this forum, if you read my first post it actually says I am not praising petco or saying everyone should by from petco, just that the conditions were an improvement.

[Percy's Mom]

When there aren't any more animals that need adopting, I can only hope to find a breeder that would actually take the time to take legal action on someone who moved and chose to dump their dog. A breeder who would actually have the shelters contact them if a pure breed or apparent pure breed showed up that might have been one of theirs. When a breeder will spend the hundreds of dollars in legal fees on a court case for breach of contract when they already have the defendant's money from the original sale, and prosecuting would cut into their profits, then there might be something to discuss.

But then again, if someone was bothering to dump a dog, I wouldn't be looking at breeders anyway because there would STILL be animals that needed adopting.

[TrekkiesUnite]

Originally Posted by Percy's Mom

When there aren't any more animals that need adopting, I can only hope to find a breeder that would actually take the time to take legal action on someone who moved and chose to dump their dog. A breeder who would actually have the shelters contact them if a pure breed or apparent pure breed showed up that might have been one of theirs. When a breeder will spend the hundreds of dollars in legal fees on a court case for breach of contract when they already have the defendant's money from the original sale, and prosecuting would cut into their profits, then there might be something to discuss.

But then again, if someone was bothering to dump a dog, I wouldn't be looking at breeders anyway because there would STILL be animals that needed adopting.

You obviously don't understand why many respected breeders would do just that, they would do it becuase having an animal from their line in a shelter, or being poorly treated would make them look bad, and could possibly destroy their good name.

[Susan9608]

There must be a buttload of irresponsible breeders and only 1 or 2 of the truly responsible (at least by your definition) for animal shelters are full of pure bred animals, and so are newspaper ads, and yet, I don't think I've ever heard of a breeder taking someone to court over an animal being dumped or re-sold.

[Percy's Mom]

Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite

You obviously don't understand why many respected breeders would do just that, they would do it becuase having an animal from their line in a shelter, or being poorly treated would make them look bad, and could possibly destroy their good name.

And someone who would be more concerned about their reputation than treating animals properly in the first place is someone I should respect? I respect people who earn my respect, and people who force animals to mate to have merchandise to sell haven't earned my respect.

[TrekkiesUnite]

Originally Posted by Percy's Mom

And someone who would be more concerned about their reputation than treating animals properly in the first place is someone I should respect? I respect people who earn my respect, and people who force animals to mate to have merchandise to sell haven't earned my respect.

You don't get it, they care about how the animals are being taken care of, and when the animals are being mistreated they don't want the animals to be mistreated and when they are it comes back on them aswell. Many respectible breeders don't breed for merchandise to sell, they breed for show (as in dog shows and what not) and to try and make the breed better and healthier.