Registered Breeders and rescues

[Gunnedah]

Out buildings are toilets. An aviary is an aviary, even if it is a monkey, elephant, rabbit its still an aviary.

[Susan9608]

Out buildings are toilets.

All generalizations are false.

While I don't agree with keeping guinea pigs outside and away from people/family, I don't think enchantingcavy's enclosures look like toliets at all.

[Aertyn]

That's true Susan, I generally think of an "out building" as any large building ie a shed or garage that is not attached to the house.

An "out house" is a toilet, I think you may have got the two confused.

[Gunnedah]

The photos that jess has shown is a shed, not her aviries

[enchantingcavy]

Man some people can carry on about nothing so much...the point is that all the animals are well kept in secure, safe, cosy enclosures you can't keep 97 guinea pigs inside your house...well unless the house was bought for the intention of keeping the pigs in...sadly i don't have 100,000 to purchase a house at this stage. We live in a bush rural area and snakes and goannas are very very frequent it's a must to have the animals inside some sort of secure enclosure where their is mesh or wire small enough so that predators can't get in hence why all our grid cage setups etc are inside enclosures of some sort. What's inside can be done up to look homey and comfy but yeah the wire aviaries were essential for keeping the animals safe....even if i purchased say umm some sort of cabin for them it'd still look similar to an aviary from the outside due to small wire or mesh being needed to keep the predators out. Oh forgot the termites we have major termite trouble in this area we already had to have our house termite treated earlier this year because they invaded us...wood and termites don't go down to well in this area...

Jess

[Bellebelle]

Jess's set up is amazing. i havnt seen it personally but from the pics it looks great.
I agree with all Jess has said.

Emma

[holly]

Okay so I can speak first hand. I live in Brisbane,QLD,Australia. I have visitied Jess's homes & spent time with her personally/doing rescue missions together!

Her place is absolutely AMAZING, to say the least. The kind of work she does in Australia is HUGE! She is a true angel in the world of cavies. Without Jess I know for a fact hundreds of cavies would have died this year alone! I see the injured/abused animals that come into her rescue. Within months I see them as happy, healthy, & usually fully recovered animals. Bar the few that have been abused so badly they have pyschological disorders or ailments that will take a long time to be corrected (if ever). In those cases she keeps them on as her own pet/s, as Jess knows that they arent able to be rehomed safely.

Cavies have taken a MASSIVE increase over the last year especially in Australia; they are constantly filling up our RSPCA Shelters. Some are so bad that the RSPCA would have euthanised them if it wasnt for them knowing Jess (as a foster/shelter contact). She brought cavies back from their death beds & gave them a new lease on life. Her knowledge is incredibly indepth & we are all so thankfull for knowing her! She truly touches all our hearts constantly with the work she does.

Her set up is beautiful! Its nestled in amongst shadey trees-peaceful/calm sounding surrounds/Australian Bush/Gardens in Suburbia so to speak. She has a big property, which is nearly all taken up with piggies housing! She has these huge "sheds/avairies/out houses,etc" that could park a small car almost! Her rescue pigs are spoilt rotten! As they should be for the first time in their lives for some.. Her whole life is dedicated to the safety and well being of these animals Australia wide. No place is too far for her to travel to save them!

Basically every1 comes from a place in life where you "live & learn". Its how we grow as humans to become smarter & better people. Jess is at a place in her life that many can only wish to one day be. The work she does is all non-profit & she empties everything out of her own pocket to do what she does. She has Australia wide support for her cause & sanctuary. The Australian Government Animal Shelters "rspca,etc" wouldnt be working with/along side her if she wasnt one of THE best Australia has for this cause.

Words dont even come close to defining the kind of person Jess is! She deserves recognition & awards for the work she does. She lives for what she is doing & without her many lives would be lost & cavies in australia would continue to be viewed as "backyard, worthless pets for kids to look after". She has placed a MASSIVE dent in the mistreated&neglected cavy world here in Aust. saving so many.

I thank you with all my heart for doing the work you do Jess, and I feel so incredibably privilaged to know you & have met you personally!

You are an angel!

[enchantingcavy]

Hol ya made me cry girl . That was really beautiful. Holly has helped save several piggies lives by helping out this year pigs that we're absolutely sure would be dead now and wihtout her help I would not have been able to do one particular rescue alone...it's a combined effort without the volunteer support acs has had this year then I would not be where i am either and not just any volunteer support the volunteers that help with this cause are genuinly caring dedicated individuals who are very passionate about piggy welfare andd these volunteers you dont have to contact for help or support they are always asking how they can help out and always coming up with great ideas to get the info spreading further...we still have alot of bases to cover and a long way to go but we're well on our way.....I really shouldnt have to defend myself whoever wants to point a finger you're pointing it definitely in the wrong direction.

Gosh we've gone os off topic this post was meant to be about breeders and rescues ...which I'm more than proud to say im not for the reason i replied in my first post. It's very easy to voice an opinion on something but I ask this....to all those breeders on here that think we don't have a problem or that think breeders arn't contributing to the problem here in australia I ask you to go visit half your club members properties take a look at what is going on behind the scene and smiles at your shows oh and also ask them what they do with their excess offspring...I took that time...I took the time to visit almost every breeder in Brisbane and by the end of it maybe you'll be standing where I am....

or maybe they wont be standing where i am...one thing I did pick up when I was " in it " was that most people like to play blind and denial unless it's their animals they don't seem to give two hoots actually most breeders didnt seem to give two hoots after an animal left their property the animal was none of their concern anymore it could be being mistreated but people would say something along the lines of them being not their responsibility or animal anymore and that what the new owner chooses to do with it is their choice ( which is true dont get me wrong but this phrase was only stated to me when i was concerned about the welfare of other breeders ex piggies in new homes id seen them go to )...every animal deserves to be looked out for just because somebody dosn't technically own an animal that may not be being cared for correctly dosn't mean that you can't speak for it or shouldn't care or act. If everyone couldn't be bothered caring then animal welfare organisations wouldn't exist.

Jess

[Lissa]

I've done the rounds of breeders places and have seen some pretty ugly things over the years.

Things like dead babies sitting on top of cages. Cages that were fly blown. Places where it appears the floor hadn't been swept in a long time. The stench of some of the places was enough to make your eyes water.

I honestly don't know how these people cannot consider these things a problem. I couldn't lives in such filth.

I've been to peoples places and they've known I was coming for a longtime and yet they still don't make an effort to clean up.

My place is open to anyone, anytime. I have nothing to hide.

[enchantingcavy]

Leaving breeding/showing out and speaking just on the aspect of keeping/housing care etc I do know Liss keeps her piggies immaculately I havn't visited im in a different state but have only heard good things and yeah Liss i know your rspca approved and do work in regards to helping rspca piggies and rescues.

The list above sums up some of the things I've seen aswell umm among other things.

Jess

[Matt & Guins]

Originally Posted by Sabriel

See when I think of an aviary I think of this: http://www.javafinch.co.uk/aviary/aviaryndx.html

Originally Posted by Gunnedah

The photos that jess has shown is a shed, not her aviries

I think as Gunnedah has said, those photos were from inside one of the many sheds residing on the property. (I'm definately envious, would die to have a property that large and green!!)

These are photos from Enchanting Cavies Website - and as someone in another post mentioned- they are aviaries. (thats what they are called here in Australia, no matter what is housed in them).

http://www.geocities.com/fizzyjess/p...nting1done.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/fizzyjess/p...nting2done.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/fizzyjess/p...nting4done.jpg



But back onto what the topic is about...

I know this forum does not condone breeding/showing and are very much pro-rescue - but what is the harm if it is an actual breeder who is "rescuing" a cavy in need of a new home? and providing it with a better way of life rather than living in squaller or being euthanised?

Yes, you dont agree with breeding cavies at all and I am not talking about a breeder using any rescued cavies for breeding or anything like that, but if they have the room to house a rescue case - why shouldnt they give it a better quality of life by doing so?.

Matt

[enchantingcavy]

Ahh no i was hoping noone would post photos from our website as they're out of date....my own fault for not updating the darn pictures!They're setup different now with c&c cages and decor I'll try get photos this week just havnt had much time to update much on the webby we've been very busy...you know I'm going to dedicate several days to updating our website this week because to many people have been reading and finding outdated things ahh man...

Jess

[albert]

I have rescues here and there is no way I would even consider breeding them.

[Sabriel]

I'm going by the dictionary, not slang. The dictionary isn't always correct, but I think in this situation it is correct. This is how I've heard the term used.

My 5 are inside Jess. Up here if they lived outside they'd be popsicles in the winter and fried in the summer. Canada has really weird weather. That and I don't have a yard anyway. I'm in an apartment building in a huge crowded city. But maybe someday I'll have a little patch of organic grass for them to play on when the weather is nice.

[jdomans]

The original point this this post has yet to be addressed. Fluffball hasn't posted an answer to T's question. What rescues are advocating getting a guinea from a breeder?

[C&K]

Out buildings are toilets. An aviary is an aviary, even if it is a monkey, elephant, rabbit its still an aviary.

Hmmm... I disagree with this, an Aviary is a building designed to optimially house aves, (birds). Hence: Av in Aviary.

I understand your logic to a degree, afterall, a greenhouse that has no plants but is used to store boxes would still be called by many a "greenhouse" and not a "storage locker", but still, it sounds like some modifications have been made to these out buildings so that they are appropreate for housing cavies.

The term "caviary" seems more approprete, however it is usually reserved for breeding facilities. Still, i think a "non Breeding Caviary" better discribes the accomidations, as not all "aviaries" actually breed birds...

Much to ponder I suppose...

[Sabriel]

Thank you C&K. You seem to understand my logic well. I guess your greenhouse example is more pertinent then my library one.