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**CavySpirit** · #21 03-01-06, 09:54 pm

It is not necessary to defend their policies on this forum. If you take issue with PETA, great. Start a thread about another animal welfare organization that does things better and discuss how you support that organization and why it's better. Be positive.

I have a low tolerance for negativity towards any animal welfare organizations here. Just like I have a low tolerance for support of breeders/showers/pet stores that sell animals, etc. etc.

Krysanthemum · #22 03-01-06, 09:55 pm

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Originally Posted by CavySpirit

I just want to add to this as if this were post #2 on this thread, this IS a PRO-PETA forum.

So... people who don't like PETA aren't welcome here? You're not open to some healthy, intelligent debate on PETA's policies?

**CavySpirit** · #23 03-01-06, 10:07 pm

So... people who don't like PETA aren't welcome here?

Did I say that? NO. I SAID, if you don't like PETA, fine. But I don't want to hear much about it. If you've got better alternatives--EXCELLENT!!!! Let's hear them! You are more than welcome here no matter what you think of PETA.

You're not open to some healthy, intelligent debate on PETA's policies?

If I ever see that, I'll let you know. In the meantime, like I said, I have a BIG problem with people slamming any organization that does even a little good for animals, let alone the HUGE amount of good that PETA does. That is NOT what this forum is about. I discourage it.

I have too much personal experience on how bloody hard it is getting people who are supposed to be on the same side of an issue to be supportive and come together. I'm thinking of my extreme hard work on getting the pet store bill passed in 2002. I will no longer do anything that supports or encourages divisiveness in animal welfare organizations.

This forum is easy pickings (obviously) for starting a PETA argument because there are plenty of "pro" positions to be had. Well, we are just not going to go there. It's tantamount to trolling.

Faunn · #24 03-03-06, 12:18 pm

Im also PRO-PETA, but some members go to far. Like the old graveyard incident.

**DaisyGP** · #25 03-03-06, 04:55 pm

This why I am against it

http://www.nokillnow.com/PETAIngridNewkirkResign.htm

http://www.housepetmagazine.com/thre...ll_Terrier.htm

**salana** · #26 03-03-06, 06:48 pm

So basically...you're against PETA because they go to shelters, offer humane euthanasia, take the animals the shelter gives them, and...euthanize them?

**CavySpirit** · #27 03-03-06, 07:31 pm

What exactly are you FOR? That's what I want to know. I could counter any list with hundreds upon hundreds of POSITIVES. I just don't have the time. LIKE I SAID, DailyGP, THIS IS NOT A FORUM FOR BASHING animal welfare organizations. If you've got something BETTER to present, go for it.

If you've got an issue with Newkirk, take it up with PETA instead of bitching here.

**salana** · #28 03-03-06, 07:41 pm

I'm all for PETA providing ketamine and pentobarbitol euthanasia services for shelters that can't handle it themselves. As much as those no-kill people would like to believe, we can't house every homeless animal in a no-kill shelter much less give them all homes. What we have to do FIRST are things like stopping backyard breeding, getting widespread cheap spaying and neutering, and getting more TNR programs. THEN we will have a manageable number of homeless animals.

**Solebomber** · #29 03-03-06, 07:42 pm

what is a TNR program ?

**Sabriel** · #30 03-03-06, 09:24 pm

Trap Neuter Release

**Solebomber** · #31 03-03-06, 09:42 pm

Thank you for defining that for me Sabriel.

**Binas Cavys** · #32 03-03-06, 09:50 pm

I think Peta's alright. I agree with some things, and I don't with others.

**Jessica** · #33 03-03-06, 10:08 pm

Ok, this thread was started to ask if you where for or against PETA, Daisy answered that she wasnt and everyone goes after her? Personally I dont beleive in PETA either. And did anyone even bother to read the one on pit bull terriors? They are just putting them to sleep because people are scared of them. I tell you what those dogs can be some of the sweetest dogs, yes they are misunderstood but you know what, so are many other things, I think PETA pushes it way to much. They will go after you if you do treat your animal as a companion because technically its still yours. And what about this?
http://www.nokillnow.com/PETA1000.htm
That is just one of the things on that page I read.
Now I am sure that some of them, like many of you seem to be, are good people and do do the right thing and are for the better side. But some go to far, I have read WAY to many things about PETA and well I am pretty shyed. I am not bashing them by any means but merely stating my opinion as was requested in the origional question.
I see good things about them but I also see many bad things too.
I think that the things like what CavySpirit and all of these rescues do are really great, there are a lot of animal movements I think are great, so I am not by any means saying they are bad or anything AT ALL.

**salana** · #34 03-03-06, 10:53 pm

Nobody could read the one on pit bulls.

**Jessica** · #35 03-03-06, 11:27 pm

Oh, sorry I didnt know no one could read that one, I could read it, I wonder why no one else could.

**Binas Cavys** · #36 03-03-06, 11:39 pm

I could read it to.

**John4216** · #37 03-04-06, 12:18 am

It does not matter whether I agree or disagree with them. What matters is that at least they are trying and have made a difference in many many ways. Its very easy to sit on the sidelines and be critical of anyone or anything.

My suggestion for those that do not like them? Join PETA and help make changes from within to the organization and don't just complain about it or be overly critical if your not doing anything to help the problem.

Fact is they have done a TON of good, and any large organization is going to have a few quirks in it. You can not avoid it. You can only try to make it better OR make something different that is better.

And that article is just normal journalistic BS. 2 people caused an issue and so the entire organization is blamed because the reporter attempts to twist things and insinuates something that is not true. I have dealt with reporters (some are my friends and have helped me, some are not) for over 20 years in various causes and have learned to read what they say carefully because of very crappy articles like that one. I would bet that reporter has an axe to grind with PETA for some reason and so she is.

**DaisyGP** · #38 03-04-06, 12:30 am

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Originally Posted by Jessica

Ok, this thread was started to ask if you where for or against PETA, Daisy answered that she wasnt and everyone goes after her? Personally I dont beleive in PETA either. And did anyone even bother to read the one on pit bull terriors? They are just putting them to sleep because people are scared of them. I tell you what those dogs can be some of the sweetest dogs, yes they are misunderstood but you know what, so are many other things, I think PETA pushes it way to much. They will go after you if you do treat your animal as a companion because technically its still yours. And what about this?
http://www.nokillnow.com/PETA1000.htm
That is just one of the things on that page I read.
Now I am sure that some of them, like many of you seem to be, are good people and do do the right thing and are for the better side. But some go to far, I have read WAY to many things about PETA and well I am pretty shyed. I am not bashing them by any means but merely stating my opinion as was requested in the origional question.
I see good things about them but I also see many bad things too.
I think that the things like what CavySpirit and all of these rescues do are really great, there are a lot of animal movements I think are great, so I am not by any means saying they are bad or anything AT ALL.

Thank you Jessica, binas_cavys, salana!!!!

How they treat pit bulls is a BIG issue with me. They want to kill all of them no matter what they are like. It's true some of these dogs are used to fight, but most are just pets. The media only covers bad stories about pit bulls. All you hear about are a few questionable isolated incidents about pit bulls biting or mauling people. No one points out the fact that without proper training any dog can be aggressive. Owners make these dogs aggressive by either training them to fight, or more commonly, not training them at all. Any dog that is not trained can be dangerous. Agagressive dogs are not born, they are made.

They will start banning pit bulls first, but then people will find a different breed to attack. It's already happening. Look at Rotties, Dobermans, german shephards, to name a few. You may consider all these dogs are aggressive, but that's what the media makes you think by, as usual, only showing one side to the story. Today it is the pit bull being banned, tomorrow, it's german shephard, the next day its the St. Bernard. PETA is suppose to be protecting animals. Clearly they are not protecting pit bulls from a misguided society. PETA has many good things going for them but they failed the pit bull miserably.

Their stance on the fish hobby is also kinda bizare. I personally can't support a organization that thinks a breed of dog should be exterminated. If they are for that what else could they do wrong in the future. It is misguided. Their are many other organizations to support.

**DaisyGP** · #39 03-04-06, 12:54 am

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