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**jazzymom** · #21 12-27-08, 05:49 pm

Its "Extinction". And there may be an over population where you are. Does not mean it exists World wide. Guinea pigs are not among the most popular pet here.
And if you succeed in your anti-petstore, anti-breeder movement, overpopulation anywhere will end. So again, where will pets come from then?
I guess from "good" breeders. Are you actively lobbying for regulations and laws to govern what constitutes good breeders? Forming a body of law who will enforce those rules & regulations?

**guineapigluver1** · #22 12-27-08, 06:31 pm

And again, I say: You people need to start thinking realistically!! The over-population prblem will never end! As much as I would love that it won't happen.
And if it ever did happen, people would probably be a lot more careful in breeding and it wouldn't happen again.
But then again that isn't realistic.

**jazzymom** · #23 12-27-08, 06:53 pm

And neither is it realistic to think people will ever stop breeding because they can, or that they will stop buying animals in petstores. As long as we are being realistic. The over-population is due to those two things. So if as you say it will never end, you must agree that breeding & petstore sales will never end either.
Opinions vary, and none are 100% correct or realistic.
IMO it is better to care for an animal regardless of how it came to be. It had no say in it's creation. It is a living being, deserving of love and a home. We leave it to die in a petstore, so it won't be replaced with another?? It will always be replaced, upon being purchased, or death.

**guineapigluver1** · #24 12-27-08, 06:55 pm

Like someone else said, no it won't end the problem with attitudes like that.

**jazzymom** · #25 12-27-08, 07:12 pm

I give valid points and all you can give back is "Petstores are bad" and "With attitudes like that..." Like what?? You just said the overpopulation will never end. And I have an attitude?? That was your response to my question as to where pets will be acquired if we succeed in stopping all breeders & petstores, essentially stopping the need for rescues. Valid question. If breeding & pet trade should stop, so should pet ownership. Right? So when will you give up yours?
I am not trying to start a fight. I really am trying to understand the logic. There are holes. I need them filled, to understand this. No breeders, no pet trade, no rescues, no pets. No need for CC cages, forums.

**guineapigluver1** · #26 12-27-08, 07:51 pm

Here is exactly what I have said on the matter before:

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We don't have a messed up idea that she doesn't give them food or water. There are some breeders out there that take proper care of them. Does that make it right to breed? No. She is taking away homes with every guinea pig she breeds, that so many guinea pigs desperately need that are in shelters and rescues. And a lot if them die because of this. When it could have been prevented by just not breeding. Same with cats, dogs, and any other animal.
It frustrates me to no end when people don't see this.

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When you pay that breeder for a guinea pig, you give them money to keep breeding, thus contributing more to the problem.
I have told you my reasons why I am against it, they make all the sense in the world, and I don't see why you can't understand it, for that reason I am not going to keep arguing.

It is fine with me if you find it fine to do so, but I don't. And many others don't as well.

ETA- Thinking realistically, meaning they won't go extinct.

**jazzymom** · #27 12-27-08, 07:57 pm

Please explain, if no-one is breeding, how can they exist? I mean IF your dream of no-one breeding, and no petstores selling them...that's the goal right? So IF this happens?

**PixieStix** · #28 12-29-08, 12:49 am

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Originally Posted by jazzymom

Please explain, if no-one is breeding, how can they exist? I mean IF your dream of no-one breeding, and no petstores selling them...that's the goal right? So IF this happens?

This goal is long away anyways, but it is still a goal to be working towards. There would still be pigs through accidental litters, and realistically, still pigs being bred somewhere. There are also debates (which I won't go in to) about if it is really in a pigs best interests to be kept as a pet. Not as in they should be wild and set free, but some people believe they do not truly enjoy human company and contact, unlike dogs for instance. If you do a forum search, you will come up with SO much to answer your questions.

**danaspiggies** · #29 12-29-08, 07:49 am

I also joined this website to learn more inforamtion about my guinea pigs I to bought one from a pet store before I knew that they were bad I was exicted when I got the cubes to build them a better cage and get rated a 1 because those that rated it said it was to small what am I do to when I have limited space I feel as thou I to was bassed also because I have limited space can any one tell me how to make a cage that is the right size you can click on the camera to see the cage that I made

**BubuCandyBlue** · #30 12-29-08, 08:45 am

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Originally Posted by danaspiggies

I also joined this website to learn more inforamtion about my guinea pigs I to bought one from a pet store before I knew that they were bad I was exicted when I got the cubes to build them a better cage and get rated a 1 because those that rated it said it was to small what am I do to when I have limited space I feel as thou I to was bassed also because I have limited space can any one tell me how to make a cage that is the right size you can click on the camera to see the cage that I made

Dear danaspiggies, please don't get upset. We all learn. For two piggies you need a 2x4 grids, not 2x2. I see you have a mommy and two babies. I told you in another post how to baby proof your cage because the babies got out. I understand you have no room, but you might find some ideas on this site that might help you. Here you can browse tons of ideas, open cages, with levels or without. For instance that 2x4 grids cage doesn't have to be in lengths. You can make an L shaped in a corner somewhere. Maybe smth like this, but you can find more ideas http://www.guineapigcages.com/photos...php/photo/8103 You can add afterward levels with a not too steep ramp and go up.

**danaspiggies** · #31 12-29-08, 08:52 am

Thanks Bubu yes this is my first time building a cage and as they say practice makes perfect I will check into the L shape and gosh I never thought of that thanks for the helpful response

**BubuCandyBlue** · #32 12-29-08, 09:07 am

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Thanks Bubu yes this is my first time building a cage and as they say practice makes perfect I will check into the L shape and gosh I never thought of that thanks for the helpful response

You are welcome. It helps very much having space underneath for storage, trust me, so you need to lift your cage, as you are short on space. Then adding a loft where you can have their sleeping area or smth. would be great, to have free range down. Piggies prefer to have a long/wide cage. But as you have lack of space, filling up your house corners and building then in height is an option.
A good example of someone who filled her corners is here http://www.guineapigcages.com/photos...hp/photo/12448

This is the cage I showed you first for a corner, but now with a loft idea http://www.guineapigcages.com/photos...hp/photo/11946

Good luck! Baby proof your cage with grids with 9 holes, maybe try Bed, Bath & Beyond for good grids (that is where I got them last time). Remember to separate boys from girls when they are 3 weeks, otherwise you will have a surprise litter (sorry, don't know what your babies are).

PS: Jazzymom, sorry for the off topic.

**psmadden** · #33 12-29-08, 02:25 pm

I have a random question from one of the first threads on here, what does that mean "impaction" for the males. I have a male and two females (seperate cages) but is there something I should look for differently in caring for the male?

**rabbitsncavyluv** · #34 12-29-08, 02:58 pm

Read Guinea Lynx :: Impaction

Flip them over once a week and make sure they don't have any gunk in their sacs.

**BubuCandyBlue** · #35 12-29-08, 03:10 pm

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Originally Posted by psmadden

I have a random question from one of the first threads on here, what does that mean "impaction" for the males. I have a male and two females (seperate cages) but is there something I should look for differently in caring for the male?

Yes impaction=cleaning their genital area of a boar.

**hueyeats** · #36 12-29-08, 04:08 pm

jazzymom...

It only takes 2 healthy GPs to produce 124(plus plus) and within a short couple of years (1 female can have even up to 8 per birth, then multiply those m/f offsprings who will again breed another litter within 3 months not counting the mom breeding again).

So... extinction is not quite likely (if you have a realistic logical mind that is; not talking about "fantasies" here), but there is more probability in the math logics for an "overpopulation" problems that the rescues & shelters are facing today!

Just do the math, and to top it off...

There will always be "people who do not know better" backyard breeding, accidental breeding & not to mentioned those stubborn people profit breedings.
Too bad these people will never be extinct.

Well, when these people go extinct...
GPs will still never be extinct as they will always have them in Peru or some other countries.

Please do not try and "justify" something everyone knows is wrong... we do not support petstores or breeders here.

**jazzymom** · #37 12-29-08, 07:39 pm

Well, I surrendered both to the SPCA today. I felt guilty, and worried they are sick, since you all said so. So no piggies for this family. I'll stick to birds. Bird people are much more personable.

Ciao.

**hueyeats** · #38 12-29-08, 08:03 pm

I guess, better now than later after potential neglect...
for the "suffering" part of the piggies.

I am sure someone will give that forever home to the GPs they so deserved.

Guess GPs is not for you after all...
but it is better this way because at least you know you are not GP "friendly" and your actions have very well speak even louder than your words & beliefs!

P.S. just another thumbs down for people (typical) who try to "justify" breeding... all that from their "great" actions predictable from the beliefs (proved to be wrong again)!

**daisymae12** · #39 12-29-08, 08:34 pm

What I don't understand is how you can spend so much money on an animal, research it, take care of it, and then surrender it to the SPCA? I agree with you on some of your points - which have been stated here on both sides, that the selling of pigs and other small animals will not stop nor will the BYB of them either - but I cannot even begin to see how you could just "give up" your pigs...

It makes no sense to me. I volunteer often at my local SPCA and although it's no kill, I'd honestly prefer if they did. Living in a cage with limited social interaction and twenty minutes outdoors is NO LIFE for an animal. Especially a dog or a cat. I don't know how they treat Piggys, we usually ended up with rabbits and LOTS of ferrets, but both small animals were miserable. I ended up adopting three of my pets from that shelter just because I knew no one else would and they'd be there for months. People don't usually want to foster an American Pitt Bull whose had Parvo and Mange but I'm the crazy gal who took her home!

All I can see is a "forum right fight" just doesn't seem to warrant giving up your guinea pigs over. Maybe that's just me.

**jazzymom** · #40 12-30-08, 10:26 am

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Originally Posted by hueyeats

I guess, better now than later after potential neglect...
for the "suffering" part of the piggies.

I am sure someone will give that forever home to the GPs they so deserved.

Guess GPs is not for you after all...
but it is better this way because at least you know you are not GP "friendly" and your actions have very well speak even louder than your words & beliefs!

P.S. just another thumbs down for people (typical) who try to "justify" breeding... all that from their "great" actions predictable from the beliefs (proved to be wrong again)!

You know you are really ticking me off! How DARE you imply we would neglect them?? They had a CC cage, fresh greens and peppers, or various veggies daily. Quality pellets, Oxbow hay. Clean fresh water daily. Running room daily.
But YOU jerks convinced me that that was not enough. I am a terrible person for buying at a petstore. So I decided to give them up. I don't need sick animals. The SPCA told me they will be kept for 3 weeks, the euthanized if their employee or a customer doesn't adopt them. Happy? I'm not.
But I won't buy anymore animals from petstores. So you succeeded. Clap clap.

I keep birds, have for 20+ years. I know all about providing the VERY best for any living thing in my care.

Anyway, enjoy your hateful, nasty forum.

"Thank you, BubuCandyBlue, for this useful post," says:
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