Yea, piggies don't train. Mine do most of their "business" when they are in the loft eating. I used to use a tray of care fresh or something, but I would still have to clean that up every 3-4 days cuz of the pee smell and not to mention the tracking mess of it, so now I just use fleece pads (fleece/waterproof mattress pad) on top of the liner (under the hay loft and by the food and H20) and rake up the stinky pee hay every couple days and vacuum the pad area. I change out the pads every 3-4 days. Mine also pee and poop in their hideys, so again, I put pads under the hideys. I can go about 3-4 weeks before having to do a whole liner change with my 2 boys. Are you planning on making a C&C cage? Look at some of the pics of peoples cages. Some people have used their store bought cages as the "food/kitchen" area attached to or inside their C&C cage.

This is a pic of my first C&C cage with the "kitchen" on the left with carefresh, and the fleece everywhere else. I would just sweep up the poops from the fleece and change out the carefresh every week or so. Good Luck and have fun with Max

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