'Jockeys' show on Animal Planet, & the new octuplets

[Paula]

I'm not sure what the two topics have to do with each other, but ...

1 - the Jockey show isn't going to do anything other than encourage horse racing, as expected. There might be some mild entertainment value as far as the jockeys and their personal lives, but I don't think it's really worth glorifying horse racing and overlooking the tragedies and cruelties therein. But, it's not like Animal Planet really cares about that side of it.

2 - In my personal opinion, the woman with the octuplets has serious psychological problems, and probably several other unresolved issues stemming from an abusive or neglectful past. I think the doctor that implanted the embryos has serious ethical issues and the mess that's no doubt going to follow in the months or years to come is as much to blame as the woman who wanted ALL of the embryos implanted in the first place.

[sophistacavy]

Does anyone know when the official interview with this lady is? Like what time, channel? Thanks!

[Paula]

There was an inverview on Dateline NBC this past Friday.

Here's a link to Dateline - right now it's on the front page, you can watch the interview.

Dateline NBC: News stories about crime, celebrity and health- msnbc.com

[BubuCandyBlue]

Originally Posted by sophistacavy

Does anyone know when the official interview with this lady is? Like what time, channel? Thanks!

Is it just me, or is it obvious that she had some plastic surgeries?

[Adorable]

She seems like an Angelina wanna-be to me, without the money.

It concerns me that she claims to have grown up in a lonely, dysfunctional family but relies on her parents to help with her own children. I would not leave my kids in the care of my mother for more than a few hours, a couple times a year because of the dysfunction in my childhood.

Having a bunch of kids (and plastic surgery) is only a temporary fix to the deep-seated issues she must have. I can’t imagine a more lonely, isolated life than being a single parent to fourteen children. I read somewhere, though, that she was married and recently divorced. She claims to have the same father for all her children so it doesn’t even sound like the husband was part of the equation. Or, maybe there are a bunch of untruths in what she says.

As for racing…I’ve seen what happens to the horses that don’t win or break down. They are dumped and, unfortunately, a big, flashy horse that couldn’t make it on the track is a hot commodity. People line up to pay $1000-$3000 for a cheap horse that’s not seen the outside of a stall after it turns two, unless it has a chance to run on the track. All kinds of issues come along with that but they’re either hoping for an inexpensive life long partner, or to make lots of money on a resale.

If the owners really cared about the horses, they’d pay for the retraining to find it a better home for more $$$, instead of unloading them cheaply as a neurotic 3, 4, 5 year old and making it someone else’s problem.

[diane]

I heard on the radio today that this lady with the children gets $480 dollars a month in food stamps and that 3 of her first 6 children are on some sort of disability. If I already had three special needs chilren I wouldn't be adding anymore. I mean children with special needs need so much more attention to their issues then you have to make sure the other children don't feel left out in the process.

[Susan9608]

I heard on the radio today that this lady with the children gets $480 dollars a month in food stamps and that 3 of her first 6 children are on some sort of disability.

I'd really like to know *how* this woman afforded in-vitro fertilization if she has to rely on food stamps. Even doing a frozen cycle costs between $3000-$4000 dollars, plus there is a yearly cost to keep embryos frozen, that ranges from $300-$1000/year. If she had enough cash laying around to pay for IVF and/or embryo storage, then she should seemingly have enough assets to not qualify for public assistance.

Something seems very wrong with all the information this woman is giving out.

[sophistacavy]

I couldn't have said it better myself, Susan. Her mother said that she hasn't recieved any cash from Nadya, but in the interview, Nadya said that she pays her mother rent. Then, in the interview, Nadya blatantly states that she will not accept or rely on government assistance to raise her new family, but the news companies discovered (from her parents, I suppose) that she is on food stamps.....so she's acting like a pathological liar, almost.

And she claimed, in the interview, that she went to the same exact in-vitro doctor for all 14 of her children. But, they also showed someone interviewing Nadya's mother, and Nadya's mother said that she went to one doctor for the first 6, and then s/he refused to do any more, so she found a new doctor willing to transplant all of the embryos above the ethical guidelines.....

[BubuCandyBlue]

Well, this subject seems very controversial. Today I saw more things that were discovered upon her. She has an outstanding 50,000 student loan which she used to get plastic surgery to look like Angelina Jolie.That's how she looks like she does. She's on welfare, and she has no job or education, she is expecting the state to pay for taking care of her children. Everything she says, every time, contradicts with other things. This is a society interest for the well being of those innocent children. I myself know people out there that have raised more kids, a very big family, and have done a wonderful job. But this seems not to be the case, financially first of all, and looks more on irresponsibility. You can give all the love in the world, but that will not compensate other needs that you should provide yourself. Having many kids is not a bad thing, but not when other things are involved.

[NicholsS10]

Originally Posted by pigsmakemesmile

I saw the news clip on inside edition tonight. She had 6 embryo's implanted and one of the embryo's sprouted twins.

She did have 6 embryo's implanted, but that means that 2 of the embryo's sprouted twins. That's what they said during the special on her, plus 4 embryos (1 baby each) + 2 embryos (2 babies each) = 8 kids.

[Faunn]

-Is still on 'Jockeys'-
I never understood why Animal Planet, a show that has some programs that show about RESCUING animals, is not only taking on horse racing, but it doesn't even focus on the horses! Just the jockeys lives! Its like a stupid soap opera thats real, and Ive only watched it once.

[BubuCandyBlue]

Any news of the octuplets? I was reading today an article about a woman in Arizona giving birth to six babies in 2007. It was also mentioning what the care involved for those babies, and I quote:

"As any new mother will testify, keeping even one baby clean, fed and happy is a constant battle. So spare a thought for Jenny Masche, who's had six at once. Her daily regime involves 38 bottles of milk, 18 changes of clothes, two loads of laundry and 50 nappies.

So now I am thinking even more at that woman, how is she gonna manage the 8 babies, plus the 6 kids that she already had before, one being autistic?

[diane]

I really don't know how she is going to cope. Her mother seems to be helping as much as possible. I mean she is living with her but where in the world are they going to put 8 more cribs in an already cramped 3 bedroom house with less than 1500 sq ft? Dr Phil has done a few shows on this story. And his angle was looking more toward the medical procedure. Some other docs commented on the number of embryos emplanted since she had a history of knowing that invitro worked for her. The fact that the same doc did all of them is baffling. Go to your doc and say well I am unemployeed, live with my mom, and have 6 at home, but lets load me up again and see what happens. Who is to say that this last 8 babies is going to fill her void? I just worry that is 3 out of 6 of her previous 6 have disabilities that some of these babies will to. I hope not. Not sure if this is true or not but on Dr Phil he said that both Nayda's mother and the sperm donor went to the doctor begged him not to do this last procedure.

[Kipsie]

Eh, I know a lady with 4 kids because of a sperm doner. It's a little strange to me (especially their 15-year-old boy), but it's completely fine. Is that what the octuplet woman had? A sperm doner? If so, that's not a good idea because you may get a bad doner with awkward genetics. About the subject of too many kids, i'd hate it if my mother had 13 other children. I wouldn't be able to go to private school. Heck, would any of us be able to go to private school? Even if they went to public school, lunch money would still be an issue. Oh, and think about college! Maybe she should give them up for adoption if she can't handle it (and I don't think she can). Err... I'm going too far with this.


Anywho, If she is blessed with enough money (if she actually gets a good job), they can go far with so many children. The kids may even all become doctors and lawyers. Who knows?

[Paula]

Originally Posted by Adorable

Do you think it’s unethical to have a bunch of Guinea Pigs? I tend to think people who have more than my 3 are nuts, but I try to imagine them as wacky, caring, fun loving kind of nuts so I assume they’ll give those pigs a good home.

I think it’s less ethical to turn away needy guinea pigs (or other animals) when you have the room and the time (and of course the money and other resources, including the desire) to care for more. I don’t think anybody should open their home to as many as I have necessarily, but to imply that it’s potentially unethical just to HAVE more than 3 and that anyone who might do so is “nuts” is offensive. And annoying.

On the other hand, the octuplet mom has 14 children with what seems like no solid plan for providing for them, or caring for them. It's one thing to make a conscious decision to have a huge family if you've got a steady job and a clear way to provide for that family. This lady just seems to be going on faith that she'll get a job that can support this family while she uses student loans to pay for her day to day needs. The more I see about her the more disturbing the story becomes really. It's easy to judge from the outside of course, but the more information that comes out about her and her parents, the more troubling the picture becomes.

Now that the Jockey show is on, I say it stinks. Big time.

[gooberific]

In response to Paula:

I agree, and I would find that offensive if I had more than my three boys. I could just as easily care for another three, and live without some of the luxuries we have (like cable everything), if I had them thrust upon me. As it is, you can't imagine how cute it is to have the two brothers running around in the kitchen while you're trying to make dinner, and Mogwai blocked off in the hallway and doing laps around his litter box. (He's a little 'less-than-smart'....) If I had another three to put in the living room during the times that my son isn't home, I would consider it a blessing.

To have more kids, I don't quite think the same. LOL Kids require much more attention than guinea pigs, even if they have a brother or two to keep them occupied. I'll keep my one son, and be thankful for him being an unexpected miracle, refuse to have embryos implanted (my aunt is a surrugacy and family lawyer in five states, and I've yet to hear her input on this issue). There are even some extremists who believe having more than two children is irresponsible in economic and ecological points of view.

I can't really imagine having more than one child, honestly. But still, day in and day out there are people who have more than two kids and still have more than two pets, so I think it's unjust and offensive to say that it's unethical to have "more than three" pets just to have them.

[Paula]

Originally Posted by gooberific

In response to Paula:

I agree, and I would find that offensive if I had more than my three boys.

It just seems to be a ridiculous thing to say, especially on a forum where many of the members probably have, or have had, or at least would like to have, more than 3 guinea pigs.

Anyway, I've made a conscious decision not to have children, for a number of reasons, none of which have to do with the economy. Although I will say that in my view, if a person's reasons for having more than one or two children are selfless and that person has a solid plan in place for caring for them and providing for them, then more power to them. To me it seems that the octuplet mom has neither a solid plan in place nor a selfless reason for creating so many dependant lives.

[Adorable]

Give it a rest, Paula. Why is it necessary to drag up something I said almost two weeks ago, today? Especially since you already responded to this thread a couple times after I said it?

Recently, detailed instructions were given on how to put a member on ignore. I encourage you to explore that option.

[Paula]

Originally Posted by Adorable

Give it a rest, Paula. Why is it necessary to drag up something I said almost two weeks ago, today? Especially since you already responded to this thread a couple times after I said it?

Recently, detailed instructions were given on how to put a member on ignore. I encourage you to explore that option.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. That particular post caught my eye because it seemed to be quite a bizarre and ridiculous thing to say on a guinea pig forum, and I was uncomfortable with the tone.

I'm sorry you feel the reply isn't timely, but I don't think members get to dictate which other members reply to their posts, and when.

It's clear I wasn't the only person who found the comment offensive.

Not sure why you're sharing the tidbit about ignoring members with me, but hey, thanks.

[BubuCandyBlue]

Originally Posted by Adorable

Especially since you already responded to this thread a couple times after I said it?

Not quite sure where this is coming from again, but does it really matter if a member answers many times upon a thread? Even if it is the same opinion as another members, just put into other words or perspective. This is not a contest who said what first.

To Paula: I agree with you. Having kids is not about the number, but about the possibility of taking care of them and providing what they need from every point of view. Have as many as you want if you can afford it. It is not the case, at least not lately, after N. Suleman declared she will take care of all of them with her "future" job after she "finishes" college and she is not accepting any help. But then "miraculously" she has even a website for donations and lately everything makes it sound like all her pregnancies are for publicity, money, all coming from a person who might not be so mentally sane saying she divorced her husband because she realized she didn't love him, but just wanted babies, and then meeting someone in a night club, but didn't want him as a partner, but just to use as a sperm donor .So this proves kids are her only goal, but with no other wish for anything else (no education, no job, no money, no nothing to take care of them). The other day my husband was reading something regarding some women with a psychic problem having a constant urge of making babies just to have someone depending on them. So regarding anything else, they make baby after baby to fill that "need". She fits the picture.