I am sorry and Mad and Worried

[chexxy]

First off I must apoligize for what I said on this thread -
http://www.guineapigcages.com/forum/...ighlight=puppy
You were right, and I learned my lesson. No breeder is good. And I will never accpet or buy a breeder puppy ever again.
Sadie, my puppy has been doing GREAT. She was hyper, energretic, smart and playful. Today when I was at school my mom took he down the drive way to get the trash cans, Half way up she let her go because normally she will go up and play with Jack our other dog. Well she kept running. My mom found her cowering uner the pool deck. She got her out, but then Saide was crazily running around the house for 5 minutes, my mom and dad finally found her cowering in a cornewr. We thought she got stung. She had a vetr appoiuntment for next week to get her rabies, but today she was to get her last vaccine, Distemper, from the breeder. I noticed she was alittle off, she would stare into space and twicht alittle., I told my mom, and the breeder. We asked and the breeder said "Oh, I dont know, maybe shes having a reaction to the sting". She got the vaccine. My mom was going to get the car to get the headlight fixed, and then call the vet. She called when I was riding and said she was taking Saide to the vet and she would be there in 5 minutes to get me. KI ran up, fed the ponies and we went to the vets. She was twicthy, and she couldnt really walk, and when she did she eventually toppled. After tests, etc., they are sneding some blood in tonight, but she thinks it may be a Liver Shunt, which I think it is to. any experience/tips/advice? She got meds for tonight, she ate dinner, wnet to sleep and now she is wobbly walking around the kitchen, but she frequnetrly falls. As I was writing htis she woke upo and went to take a drink, but she fell and spilled the water and thren she ran away, like she was afraids she was in troulbe. I feel so bad. Any advice? Tips? Stupid breeder. She never shpould have given her that vaccine. Or told me, she is healthy, just small. ...
And my mom said that if she needed surgey (if she has a liver sahunt, she needs surhery) they would pay for it. It was $240 today, anmd she just got examined and tested. I cant imagine how much a surgery will be....

[crazywiggy]

I am so sorry to hear about Sadie....

Liver shunt has a number of causes - it may be congenital, which would reflect badly on the breeder.
I am shocked the breeder gave her a vaccination when she wasn't well... this is a major no no! Vaccines affect the dogs immune system, so should NEVER be given if the dog is not in perfect health as it can give their body too much to cope with at once.

Still, at least your mom has agreed to get Sadie whatever vet care she needs. Will keep everything crossed for you, and hope she gets well soon!

[Susan9608]

Didn't that breeder say she would pay for all care Sadie needs? Time to hold her accountable and tell her to put her money where her mouth is. She needs to cough up some of the $$ for Sadie's surgery.

As far as getting Sadie from a breeder, what's done is done ... the only thing you can do now is try to take care of Sadie and try to keep others from doing the exact same thing.

I hope this experience will lead you to become an advocate against even those breeder who seem like excellent, responsible breeders, as you assured us Sadie's breeder was.

Poor Sadie. I wish her the best.

[chexxy]

The tests today came back incunclusive. She has to go back tommorw and she is staying there for the day so they can moniter her and do more tests before and after she eats. She is still herself though. Everyone loves her, my friedn who only met her once or twice was about to cry when I told her. She is alittle better now, but she is still wobbly, falls sometime,s and twitches. It worse when she is tired.

I want to wait until we know what it is for me to tell the breeder. My mom doesnt know much about animals and I dont wnat the breeder saying someting like "oh, shes fine, it was probaly just blablablahh and getting involved. I wont ask for money to pay, I still need her on my good side, but she will know about it, and hopefully she will do something. If its not the liver shunt she could have eaten something bad, or other things. but we will know tommorow, atleast whether its a shunt or not.

[Susan9608]

I still need her on my good side

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[babybunny]

Originally Posted by chexxy

Ok, what I said sounded weird. I meant I cant tell her off because she has control of the two ponies I ride and if I am rude, why should she let me near them? I know, to you, bad excuse, but they are my life.

[chexxy]

Originally Posted by Susan9608

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What BabyBunny posted. She "owns" the two ponies I care for. So I dotn want to get in a fiht.

[Susan9608]

Oh. I see. So you're going to let her off the hook for the dog so you can continue using her for the ponies.

That's great.

I hope the dog is okay.

[chexxy]

Originally Posted by Susan9608

Oh. I see. So you're going to let her off the hook for the dog so you can continue using her for the ponies.

That's great.

I hope the dog is okay.

Well the reason is that Sadie will get vet care. If I dont take care of the ponies no one will .they wont get farrier care or grooming or exercising or training and thats not fair to them, they deserve more. But she has a bad back and arthritis so she cant, and no one else in the family likes horses. its not ;like I just "use" them, I care for them and my mom wouldnt say anything rude to her anyway. I will tell her what happened and stuff, but not in a I wantr my money back way.

[Susan9608]

I know a number of people tried to talk to you when you originally told everyone about getting this puppy. At the time, you repeatedly defended this woman as a responsible breeder.

Now it comes out that she has possibly given you a puppy that's ill and made it worse by vaccinating that puppy, and you're telling us that she neglects her ponies because of her ill health.

It's fabulous that you want to care for them, especially if no one else will, but you simply are enabling this woman to continue on in her shoddy practices. You're making it possible for her to avoid responsibility, now not only for the dog, but also for the ponies.

but not in a I wantr my money back way.

I hope you mean for the vet bills, because previous, you were very vehement that she *gave* you the dog.

[chexxy]

Originally Posted by Susan9608

I know a number of people tried to talk to you when you originally told everyone about getting this puppy. At the time, you repeatedly defended this woman as a responsible breeder.

Now it comes out that she has possibly given you a puppy that's ill and made it worse by vaccinating that puppy, and you're telling us that she neglects her ponies because of her ill health.

It's fabulous that you want to care for them, especially if no one else will, but you simply are enabling this woman to continue on in her shoddy practices. You're making it possible for her to avoid responsibility, now not only for the dog, but also for the ponies.



I hope you mean for the vet bills, because previous, you were very vehement that she *gave* you the dog.

I DID mean for the vet bills, I wouldnt lie about that. And I would never buy a breeder dog. Thats lie $800 dollars for a dog I could go to a shelter and rescue for $50. And you want me to just get mad and not care about the ponies? Its not abuse. they get fed the most expensive senior feed and have water. Its the fact that they would sit in a paddock and be useless. She bought Koti just for me to ride and train. He is not really hers, hes a friends but we wont get into that story, to long. What I mean is shes not a bad person. She just is to in the "old" days. Like "Well, she looks fine to me and blablsahblah. But I care more about the ponies then I do money, and I wont give them up.

I came to apologie because I know what she did was wrong, and my defending her was wrong. But shes isnt a bad person, and not much will make me give up my ponies, and how my mom confronts her is not my bussness anyway...

[VoodooJoint]

Chexxy, I'm real tired of this nonsense.

What do you want from us? Do you want us to reassure you and tell you everything will be okay?--we can't do that because this dog is seriously ill.

Do you want us NOT to tell you about how awful this breeder is? --We can't do that either. If it's a liver shunt then it's genetic. She caused it with her breeding program.

You don't think it's abuse for a horse owner to deny an animal farrier and teeth and grooming care? You are dead wrong. It IS abuse. Shall I pull up some pictures of well fed animals with such horribly overgrown feet that they can't walk? Maybe you would like to see some lovely rain rot photos from ungroomed horses? Or some fantastic pictures of infected hoof frogs and peeling, separating hoof walls because no one bothered to clean out the horses feet. You also should realize that without teeth floating it wouldn't matter how high of quality the food offered was because the horse would be unable to chew and thus would not be able to digest it's food and would begin to starve. If this woman would refuse those horse care basics then she is ABUSIVE.

Do you want to make a difference? Then MAKE HER PAY! Kissing her butt so you can play with her ponies is an excuse and a very poor one at that. No one likes to hear excuses for poor behaviour. I wouldn't except it from a breeder and I sure as heck am not about to accept it from you.

[crazywiggy]

I do have to agree with the others here. This breeder sounds like a nightmare, keeping and breeding animals she can not take care of. No matter how nice she seems what she is doing is irresponsible and without your help she would allow her animals to suffer, then yes that is abuse.

I do think you should try to get some money from her. Wait until you have all the details from the vet then go talk to her. You don't need to be mean - I wouldn't expect you to walk in there and start raging at her and demanding money. Just be polite but firm, explain that she gave you the puppy on the premise that she would help with any vet care, and that now you need her to do so. It might make her think twice about breeding about in the future - especially if it turns out she was at fault.

But for the time being good luck with Sadie, my thoughts are with her.

[Ziggy&Herald]

Originally Posted by crazywiggy

I do think you should try to get some money from her. Wait until you have all the details from the vet then go talk to her. You don't need to be mean - I wouldn't expect you to walk in there and start raging at her and demanding money. Just be polite but firm, explain that she gave you the puppy on the premise that she would help with any vet care, and that now you need her to do so. It might make her think twice about breeding about in the future - especially if it turns out she was at fault.

I agree, she did say she would help out if any genetic issues came up. Well, this is a big one. Make her stand firm. If she wants to put poorly bred animals out there, make her understand why she shouldn't. I have also read posts from you in the past about the ponies. That is ridiculous, she is using you, can you not see that? I thought people PAID someone who rode and cared for their animals. Why are putting up all the money for something that is not yours?

[chexxy]

Originally Posted by Ziggy&Herald

I agree, she did say she would help out if any genetic issues came up. Well, this is a big one. Make her stand firm. If she wants to put poorly bred animals out there, make her understand why she shouldn't. I have also read posts from you in the past about the ponies. That is ridiculous, she is using you, can you not see that? I thought people PAID someone who rode and cared for their animals. Why are putting up all the money for something that is not yours?

She's not using me. I choose to do it. They aren't mine, but especially since my horse died thats how I treat them. She has the vet out, just not the farrier. It was never a problem with Peppy, who is a bit of a nut, because her hooves are hard, they grow slowly, and she wears them down being crazy! Koti had some hoof problems because her friend got him right before he was going to the auction and he hadnt really been touched in 2 years. But she got him for me so I have no problem paying for the farrier. I am putting up all this money for them mainly because I love them, and when you have to pay $50 for a decent lesson, its nice to have something next door, even if you do pay $65 every six weeks, I get to ride every day!

Well back to puppies, thankfully, Sadie spent the day at the vets today, and the vet thought she improved alot, so we dont think its a liver shunt, but we will know on Monday. I know I got snappy. I do that too much ...
I am sorry. Well in the end my mom and dad pay for it so if they want to ask the breeder they can. But its not my place to go in and talk to her about that.
And I am sorry about my spelling. I used to check it all the time, but thanks to another forum I started not checking it.

[fourboys4now]

I hope your Sadie is better soon.