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**blackarrow** · #61 09-30-09, 05:02 pm

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Originally Posted by alicia09

I know what all the statistics say, but I know what is right for my animals, which is why they live differently to what these statistics say. Cats are very clever, and my cats seem to have learnt not to go in my neighbours garden because they have a dog. He . . . sits underneath the car for five minutes or so and then walks back into the back garden.

Not so very clever of him to be sitting under a car. Besides the obvious risk that someone will start it up with him under it, that's where antifreeze leaks if you should have had a rock strike your car in the wrong spot. It's very tasty to cats, you know.

Is he clever enough to evade any dog which should wander onto your property? You're willing to bet his life on it?

**alicia09** · #62 09-30-09, 05:08 pm

My family aren't stupid, we check underneath the cars first before driving off to check the cat isn't there. I don't mean to offend you here, but I think you are being a bit paranoid (call it responsible if you want, I don't know what it's like where you live, it might be very busy or something) I live in a quiet and private road, so the only cars that can up here are people that live up here, they all know about the cats that live up here and so keep an eye out for them and there's never been any accidents. I think cats should be able to roam about as they please, there is a big woodland not to far from me and a park and fields, and I've seen some cats play there before and it's so sweet. I don't want to talk about him possibly getting hit by a car, because it's a horrible thought, and I know he's quite safe running round the back garden which is as far as he wants to go. I've never had a problem with dogs, because dogs cannot get in my back garden unless someone opens the gate for it.

**leyley904** · #63 09-30-09, 05:16 pm

Blackarrow, not all dogs are cat-eaters. I said its instinct for cats to hunt, but not all cats do it. Its instinct for dogs to chase, but not all dogs do it. You havent been to Alicia or my neighborhood, you don't know what the dogs are like there, you don't know how the cats act. So stop listing off all of these worst-casee-scenarios, and just take our word, our cats are safe. Now, right now I am sort of mad at Alicia, for disrespecting this forum, but in this case, she is right.

**alicia09** · #64 09-30-09, 05:20 pm

Forgot to add this to my last post, I've already said I personally don't think cats should be kept inside, and you're still trying to scare me into shutting him up all the time. I'd prefer it if you didn't because I have already said how I feel about that and I don't want to shut him inside when I know he'd rather go between the garden and the house as he wants to.

**blackarrow** · #65 09-30-09, 05:33 pm

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Originally Posted by alicia09

I'd prefer it if you didn't . . . .

Yes, well, we don't always get what we want. It's part of life in the grownup world.

If you don't want people commenting on your shoddy animal husbandry practices, you have the perfect solution - don't bring the matter up in the first place. Now you know!

**alicia09** · #66 10-01-09, 12:54 am

I don't think me asking you not to critisize the way I take care of my animals is unreasonable. I am surprise you get so many members if this is the way you treat some of them, and don't call the way I take care of my animals shoddy when you haven't seen the way they live. I'm sick of you all assuming things about my pets. They are happy and healthy and just because you think they should be kept inside doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you.

**GizzyandMe** · #67 10-01-09, 01:16 am

Said with respect: Calm down little one. People are only trying to educate and assist but your anger at this point is clouding your vision. Go give each of your pets a big ol' hug sit and think and then try and read the good parts of this thread about the advice and assistance.

I personally new nothing about Guinea Pigs before I got to this site and everyone has been very helpful towards me and it is appreciated beyond words. And you know what I did every time someone advised something? I went home, hugged my little Gizzy to my chest and told her all about it, then the ones I could I tried.

So please calm a bit, with a pretty name like yours and an obvious love for your pets I am sure you will learn a lot of very useful information from this site.

**alicia09** · #68 10-01-09, 01:23 am

I just don't like people being horrible about the way I care for my pets. How would you all like it if some people came along and accused you of neglect and told you everything you're doing for your pets is wrong?

**GizzyandMe** · #69 10-01-09, 01:49 am

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Originally Posted by alicia09

I just don't like people being horrible about the way I care for my pets. How would you all like it if some people came along and accused you of neglect and told you everything you're doing for your pets is wrong?

THEY DID!! And I was wrong and Gizzy is much better off cause I listen! I was feeding her Rabbit Pellets and Iceberg Lettuce and about a CUP full of green beans a day! Now she is on special Cavy food, frilly and romain lettuce and have a variety of veggies every day.

And you know what? She is super happy, that little precious of mine popcorns like crazy and she purrs just like a kitten when she sees her lettuce. And the kisses

O The Kisses, I can not get enough and she can not seem to give enough

So see all I am saying is, just read, "listen", and try.... every single person here only wants what is best for Gizzy and all the other wonderful, amazing little Guinea Pigs THAT is why they are sooo passionate.

**princesspoppy** · #70 10-01-09, 03:01 am

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Originally Posted by alicia09

I am surprise you get so many members if this is the way you treat some of them, and don't call the way I take care of my animals shoddy when you haven't seen the way they live. I'm sick of you all assuming things about my pets. They are happy and healthy and just because you think they should be kept inside doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you.

The reason this site has so many member is because we all care about the animals we keep. We all come here to learn,offer information,help new members (such as yourself) to keep the animals in the best conditions.

If you are "sick" of us all then it's obvious that you don't want help. Which is sad. I'd actually like to see the living conditions of your pets. I am not afraid to admit that i was wrong in the way i had my pigs living.(store cage)and i was so very luck to find this site soon after getting my pigs and reading about the way pigs should be kept,the bedding to use,food to eat,veggies to nibble on,treatment to give when sick. The list is endless. Try to open your mind up a tiny bit.

**blackarrow** · #71 10-01-09, 07:22 am

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Originally Posted by alicia09

I don't think me asking you not to critisize the way I take care of my animals is unreasonable. I am surprise you get so many members if this is the way you treat some of them, and don't call the way I take care of my animals shoddy when you haven't seen the way they live. I'm sick of you all assuming things about my pets. They are happy and healthy and just because you think they should be kept inside doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you.

I don't think it's at all reasonable to come on to a site devoted to proper animal care site and ask people not to discuss with you the way in which you are caring for your animals. As for "assuming things" about your way of treating your pets - I'm definitely not. I'm going entirely on what you are saying, and that's quite enough to say what I've said.

I'm very glad they're healthy at present. I'd really, really like it to stay that way.

**JD In Van** · #72 10-01-09, 09:18 am

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Originally Posted by alicia09

I just don't like people being horrible about the way I care for my pets. How would you all like it if some people came along and accused you of neglect and told you everything you're doing for your pets is wrong?

We just care for your animals alicia09. I may be new to GPs but I worked in feline rescue for a long long time and I can not tell you how many people I have met who have been in your shoes (As I've already said, I was too!). Who thought they knew better, that their animal was the exception to the rule. Everything always seems fine, until it goes terribly terribly wrong. We strongly advocate eliminating those risks.

You're in a wooded area in the UK. Which means you have what owls, foxes, rats, ticks, crows, mice and apparently cats running about your neighborhood. All these things could harm your GPs, who are locked in kennels so have no option to flee. You may think your hutch is secure but mice and rats only need an inch to get in and can carry diseases that will seriously harm your pigs and they will try to get in, drawn by the food. (we had a member have a pig get ring worms from a mouse iirc).

**Duffinvt** · #73 10-01-09, 10:24 am

Speaking of going terribly wrong. I personally knew someone who had over 100 guinea pigs in an outdoor enclosure that she thought was secure. A weasel got in and killed all but 6. Yes.. I am telling the truth. It killed nearly 100 guinea pigs overnight. The weasel stuffed their little bodies in their tunnels and hideys. Apparently that is their nature to kill all and stash the remains and to return to and eat later. Imagine the heartache to discover such carnage. All those innocent little creatures. Imagine their terror and how they suffered.

**Paula** · #74 10-01-09, 10:38 am

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Originally Posted by leyley904

Blackarrow, not all dogs are cat-eaters. I said its instinct for cats to hunt, but not all cats do it. Its instinct for dogs to chase, but not all dogs do it.

Yes, this is quite true, but all it really takes is that one dog, wouldn't you say?

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Originally Posted by alicia09

I just don't like people being horrible about the way I care for my pets. How would you all like it if some people came along and accused you of neglect and told you everything you're doing for your pets is wrong?

I'd rather take a blow to my ego and have someone tell me I could be doing something better or to make my pet's life safer and happier. If you really care for the well being of your animals, it seems you'd actually take notice and consider doing some of the things that have been suggested here rather than just getting defensive and telling us how awful and mean we all are.

**Duffinvt** · #75 10-01-09, 10:50 am

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Originally Posted by alicia09

I just don't like people being horrible about the way I care for my pets. How would you all like it if some people came along and accused you of neglect and told you everything you're doing for your pets is wrong?

As another member has said, most of us new to the board HAVE indeed been told we were doing something wrong. If you care about your animals, you know the advice is not given to be mean or critical, but given in the best interest of your pet. It's up to you to graciously take the advice and do the right thing for your animal, or ignore the advice and do whatever you want to do and take the consequences if your pets suffer as a result.

**blackarrow** · #76 10-01-09, 10:59 am

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Originally Posted by leyley904

Blackarrow, not all dogs are cat-eaters. I said its instinct for cats to hunt, but not all cats do it. Its instinct for dogs to chase, but not all dogs do it. You havent been to Alicia or my neighborhood, you don't know what the dogs are like there, you don't know how the cats act. So stop listing off all of these worst-casee-scenarios, and just take our word, our cats are safe. Now, right now I am sort of mad at Alicia, for disrespecting this forum, but in this case, she is right.

Somehow I missed this earlier. I'm very well aware that not 100% of dogs chase cats. I don't need to see your neighborhood or the particular cats or the particular dogs therein to know whether or not there is any possibility your cat being harmed by a dog. Heck, another CAT can easily harm your cat.

I will take your word for it that your particular cats are safe wandering around outside the minute you give me any credible evidence whatsoever to support the notion that you are indeed living in some sort of kitty cat Utopia.

**poopysmom** · #77 10-01-09, 11:06 am

sometimes, its not other animals... its the human that poses more dangers to them than anything else...

Cat uses up nine lives after 13 shots to head - Yahoo!7 News

**Paula** · #78 10-01-09, 11:26 am

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Originally Posted by poopysmom

sometimes, its not other animals... its the human that poses more dangers to them than anything else...

Indeed. There's no reason to even worry about what other animal predators there are in the area as long as there are humans around. People do horrible things, and far more regularly than other animals, I'm sure, so its asinine to let ever your pet be sitting prey for a person looking to do harm. Leaving them outside unattended does exactly that, and that's far beyond irresponsible.

**alicia09** · #79 10-01-09, 11:52 am

I have read this thread and I have said that I am trying to see if I can move them indoors for the winter nights, so I have been considering it. They wouldn't be able to come right in the house because there wouldn't be a place where they could all be near each other, and I wouldn't like it if they were dotted round the house because they couldn't see and talk to each other like they normally do. I am going to speak to Dad tonight about turning one of the sheds in our garden into a sort of guinea-pig house. I was going to move the hutches in there so it would be a bit warmer for them.

**Buddy4** · #80 10-01-09, 11:58 am

I am new to this forum, and also to guinea pigs. We have just switched from bedding (so messy) to fleece and our little guy is so happy. It is easy to clean, as I just sweep up the hay and poop during the day that gets scattered around. (a little tiny broom, and Buddy chases me around while I do it...so cute) When it is time to clean, I dump the poop and hay in the backyard behind some bushes and put the fleece in the wash. My point to the post is that maybe you could convince your parents to bring them inside if it is neater. My husband wasn't thrilled at the idea and didn't like the bedding getting kicked all over the floor, but the new fleece "flooring" is working out brilliantly!

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