Where in Australia are you?

[Aertyn]

I live in the Goulburn Valley, Victoria, in an itty bitty town...

I'm moving back to Melbourne in the next few years though to continue my studies.

[Gunnedah]

I live in sydney, NSW

having not been on this forum for very long i think its totally wrong to have a go at someone on a public forum. If the Mods have said to let people know then they should have also said to do it in private.

I know bree and have been to her place. She is very dedicated to her pigs and they are all very well looked after.

You all seem to be very quick to condem breeders, but

[Gunnedah]

I live in sydney, NSW

having not been on this forum for very long i think its totally wrong to have a go at someone on a public forum. If the Mods have said to let people know then they should have also said to do it in private.

I know bree and have been to her place. She is very dedicated to her pigs and they are all very well looked after.

You all seem to be very quick to condem breeders, but where would you get your pigs from if no one bred?

Em

[VoodooJoint]

Gunnedah

You are correct. You haven't been on this forum long and you are not a Mod.

I suggest you read the stickies and some past threads and educate yourself a bit before you say anything else foolish. All of your posts I have read so far are full of not only bad advice but also seem to be traveling in the vein of everything we stand against.

If you don't like me telling you this in public then you should not be on a public forum.

[AngelaT]

Originally Posted by VoodooJoint

Gunnedah

You are correct. You haven't been on this forum long and you are not a Mod.

I suggest you read the stickies and some past threads and educate yourself a bit before you say anything else foolish. All of your posts I have read so far are full of not only bad advice but also seem to be traveling in the vein of everything we stand against.

If you don't like me telling you this in public then you should not be on a public forum.

I have also read Em's post and i see nothing foolish about what she said. Em has a wealth of knowledge, not only with piggies but with lots of other animals in the world. She is also a big advocate against petshop piggies and has rescued from them in the past. I know that my piggie would not be alive today if it wasnt for her. I also have another on loan as company for my own piggy that she rescued which surely would have died a slow horrible death if it hadnt been for Em coming along.

As a newbie im deeply offened and put off by the anti new people behaviour i have seen on this forum. It really does not give off a welcoming vibe. I am a member of many different forums (both animals and non animals) and i have never experianced this before.

BTW i do not breed, i do not show and i DO have a C & C cage as per proper size specifications, but I do listen to and respect the opinions of others.

PLUR.....

[Salstar]

Originally Posted by AngelaT

She is also a big advocate against petshop piggies and has rescued from them in the past.

Taking a sick pig from a pet shop is not rescuing them as it opens up a spot for another pig who will most likely end up in the same condition as the one that was "rescued".

Originally Posted by AngelaT

As a newbie im deeply offened and put off by the anti new people behaviour i have seen on this forum. It really does not give off a welcoming vibe. I am a member of many different forums (both animals and non animals) and i have never experianced this before.

There is no "anti new people behaviour" on this forum. There are forum rules for a reason and it is expected that each new member read them before they sign up. If they do not agree with the rules, such as anti breeding, anti showing, anti petshop, anti petshop cages etc, then they shouldnt join as they will not receive the help they are looking for. However if they are prepared to change their ways and post according to the forum rules, then there is no reason for them or anyone else for that matter, not to be welcomed here.

Oh, and I now live at Carina in Brisbane.

[VoodooJoint]

Originally Posted by AngelaT

I have also read Em's post and i see nothing foolish about what she said. Em has a wealth of knowledge, not only with piggies but with lots of other animals in the world.

Em suggested using Eucalyptis oil to clean out the grease glands of Guinea Pigs. http://cavycages.com/forum/showpost....21&postcount=2 I work with essential oils as part of my job and know that eucalyptus oil would be highly dangerous as it's caustic and poisonous.

She also said "You all seem to be very quick to condem breeders, but where would you get your pigs from if no one bred?"

By that comment she seems to imply that GPs would go extinct if no one bred. An argument not even worth going into again as it's one of the most ridiculous statements put out by pro-breeders.

Which leads me to also believe that she is pro breeding on a website that is not pro breeding.

She also stated in another thread "Most of ours live outside and a select few live inside."

Okay, so we have her giving bad/dangerous advice, making pro breeder statements and admiting she houses her GPs outside. All of this on a forum that is all about giving good advice, anti-breeder and proper indoor housing.

Why in the world, if you look at what she said just in one day, would you thing I am "anti new people"?

I stand behind my statement "All of your posts I have read so far are full of not only bad advice but also seem to be traveling in the vein of everything we stand against".

If there is more to it then by all means let Em explain herself. So far I am not impressed.

[Gunnedah]

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[FONT=Arial]No where did I state that I was a mod. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]I do not see how I am being foolish and giving bad advice, when it was suggested using a toothbrush or nail brush to remove the grease gland, when constantly brushing would irritate the skin. The eucalyptus does not touch the skin and is put on with a cotton bud very lightly. Also I did state that the pig should be washed after so that it does not soak any further down the hair shaft and into the skin.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]“By that comment she seems to imply that GPs would go extinct if no one bred. An argument not even worth going into again as it's one of the most ridiculous statements put out by pro-breeders�[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]Seeing as this is a against breeding, how many of you have children? If you are so against it then you would not have bred. If nothing reproduced then all living things would eventually die out. Its not a pro breeding statement it happens to be a fact of life.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]“She also stated in another thread "Most of ours live outside and a select few live inside. Okay, so we have her giving bad/dangerous advice, making pro breeder statements and admitting she houses her GPs outside. All of this on a forum that is all about giving good advice, anti-breeder and proper indoor housing�[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]The post was asking if you have your pigs inside or outside, I answered some of ours are inside and most are out. No where did I give bad/dangerous advice. They cope very well to the climate changes as they are outside! It is a lot different if I was to put an inside pig out side. The outside pigs have very good accommodation and all our pigs live like kings.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]I know of another breeder that is on this forum and there pigs do live outside, are you going to say this person is a bad person for having there pigs outside?[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]I respect that you stand against pet shops, breeding and showing but you have to respect other people. I would love to know the ages of some of you because your maturity level is that of a 6 year old.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]Em[/FONT]

[VoodooJoint]

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Originally Posted by Gunnedah

I do not see how I am being foolish and giving bad advice,

[FONT=Verdana] No? Then read your next statement.[/FONT][/FONT]
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Originally Posted by Gunnedah

The eucalyptus does not touch the skin and is put on with a cotton bud very lightly. Also I did state that the pig should be washed after so that it does not soak any further down the hair shaft and into the skin.

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana]You gave very clear instructions on how to use the Eucalyptus oil which leads me to believe that you know it's dangerous YET you use it anyway AND suggest it to others???? Why in the world would you put anything poisonous and caustic on your pets?[/FONT]
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Originally Posted by Gunnedah

Seeing as this is a against breeding, how many of you have children? If you are so against it then you would not have bred. If nothing reproduced then all living things would eventually die out. Its not a pro breeding statement it happens to be a fact of life.

[/FONT]Ding, ding, ding!! Congrats you have managed to bring up yet another of the ridiculous arguments breeders use! Keep going you are really earning my respect. I'm not going to answer that because it have been answered a million times before. Maybe one of our other members wants to tackle it.
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Originally Posted by Gunnedah

The outside pigs have very good accommodation and all our pigs live like kings.

[/FONT]Whatever makes you feel better about it but last I checked few kings lives like that and no one has ever taken me up on my suggestion that they go live outside for a week in accommodations like their pets have. I'm sure you sleep well at night in your warm cozy bed without the bugs crawling on you.
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Originally Posted by Gunnedah

I know of another breeder that is on this forum and there pigs do live outside, are you going to say this person is a bad person for having there pigs outside?

[/FONT]I never said anyone was "a bad person" but I do believe they are doing their pets a great disservice by keeping them outside. If they breed they are doing the world a great disservice and obviously do not care much about their pets' well-being.
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Originally Posted by Gunnedah

I respect that you stand against pet shops, breeding and showing but you have to respect other people.

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana]No I don't. I don't have to respect anyone-- Especially not people that give bad advice, breed (probably show) and keep their animals outside. I especially don't have to respect them when they come onto a rescue oriented forum like this and decide to start talking about the very things we stand against.[/FONT]

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Originally Posted by Gunnedah

I would love to know the ages of some of you because your maturity level is that of a 6 year old

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana]I'm old enough to find the tiny little ant-like font you used in this post hard to read. Please use the normal font provided as the default on this site.[/FONT]

As far as having the maturity of a 6 year old. Hahahahahah Thank you. I try to stay young at heart. At least I don't live vicariously through my pets and breed them so I can feel good about creating the perfect little specimen of an animal that is only good for a pet. Now THAT is what I call immature not to mention self centered.

[AngelaT]

You really are a funny person! you admit to having no respect for other, so it makes me wonder do you have any respect for yourself? also if this is how you treat others who having differing opinons then yours i'd hate to see what morals and thoughts of respect your children are being brought up with.

PLUR - Peace Love Unity Respect....it would do you some good to learn what these words mean and it might actually get you some browny points if you put them into action.

[VoodooJoint]

Originally Posted by AngelaT

You really are a funny person!

Why thank you. I have a feeling you are trying to upset me by saying this as you seem to mention it in every recent post you have made today. It isn't working you will have to try harder.

Originally Posted by AngelaT

you admit to having no respect for other

You misquoted me. I said I don't have to respect others. People need to earn my respect. You have not earned my respect for various reasons I stated earlier.

Originally Posted by AngelaT

so it makes me wonder do you have any respect for yourself?

Of course I do. I live my life to be a benefit to other people and animals. I am pleased with what I do. I make a difference in animals' and people's lives. That is why I respect myself.

Originally Posted by AngelaT

if this is how you treat others who having differing opinons then yours i'd hate to see what morals and thoughts of respect your children are being brought up with.

I teach my children to respect and care for living things. To treat their companion animals as members of the family. To understand that breeding our pets would risk their lives and health so therefore we should not do it. Anyway there are more then enough animals up for adoption that need homes.

You are breeding your animals and keeping them outside. Gee who's children will have more empathy for living things?...oh...that's a toughie!

As far as how they should treat others. I am teaching them to stand up for what they believe in. I believe you are neglectful of your animals and treat them like a commodity. Therefore I am not afraid to stand up to you and tell you so. I expect my children to be the same way. Strong, independent people who can speak their minds and think for themselves. Yeah, you're right I'm doing them a disservice.

Originally Posted by AngelaT

PLUR - Peace Love Unity Respect....it would do you some good to learn what these words mean and it might actually get you some browny points if you put them into action.

Groovy, thanks for the '60's love-in baybee.

I already got it. I even have that respect part down pat. See, I respect my animals by treating them like family. You are the one with the respect problem. Can you not see that?

Treat your animals with respect and I'll respect you in return.

By the way--I thought you were leaving?

[Salstar]

Very well said Voodoo!

[Alanas]

Originally Posted by cavy_lover

I live in Sydney in the Western Suburbs near Blacktown : )

Woohoo me too.

[lethologica]

I am in Perth northern suburbs

[littlemissjoey]

I live in Wollongong, NSW.

[pigs_r_us]

I am in Brisbane...near enchantingcavies

[TipiDancer]

Originally Posted by AngelaT

You really are a funny person! you admit to having no respect for other, so it makes me wonder do you have any respect for yourself? also if this is how you treat others who having differing opinons then yours i'd hate to see what morals and thoughts of respect your children are being brought up with.

PLUR - Peace Love Unity Respect....it would do you some good to learn what these words mean and it might actually get you some browny points if you put them into action.

Maybe you should think more about your own life...

i'd hate to see what morals and thoughts of respect your children are being brought up with.

Never should a person be this selfish to speak of how they bring their children up. How would you like it if someone came up to you and said: "Wow you have such little mutual respect for living things and other people. Hey, I wonder how you treat your kids? I bet they don't know the meaning of respect!"

[littlemissjoey]

And I thought we had successfully steered this thread back on topic...

[shermn]

Hey
im only new, signed up today.
i live in geelong down in victoria
i have 3 piggies & am fighting for their right to live indoors

[shermn]

Oh my goodness, why am I known as a cavy cager???
Has that got to do with the amount of posts I make???