[lmarieaa]

Really? Your starting a debate about this? Now? All of the things your are saying have been said before, debated before, and settled already. I, and I am sure I am not alone on this one, do not feel like going into another downward spiral of a conversation with someone who is not even very familiar with the forum.

If you are pro horse drawn carriages, good for you, I do not care, and I am not going to spend my time trying to convince someone who will never see through the wool that covers his eyes.

At this point, I have good reason to believe you are a part of the crew that likes to jump from forum to forum debating this subject.

Also, that member, now banned, was PETA bashing. Apparently he could not read because it says that is not allowed. If you have a problem with that, then I guess you just have to learn to deal with it. Thats life.