[Alusdra]

Well, see- that's the attitude I'm talking about Susan. I admit, I'm for animal welfare rather than rights. So yes, I guess I want happy meat. Once I'm more settled in life I intend to have land where I can raise my own animals for eggs, milk and meat. 1) So I know they were properly cared for 2) because fresh milk is hella tasty 3) So I appreciate the work going into it and thus eat less 4) I like farm animals (in a more pet sense) among other reasons.

I realize that it breaks down to a moral divide here where I don't think that animals should have the 'right' to live and reproduce as they see fit. But then again, I don't necessarily think humans should have that right, either. But no, I don't really see anything wrong with using animals, as long as it is done humanely, with care towards them, and done as little as possible. Maybe in the future we will all be vegetarians. I'm not all that opposed to the idea. I just really like the occasional steak, deer jerky, fried egg or yogurt (or whatever- like cheese!). So far veggie alternatives- while tasty- are just that: alternatives. I consider them as completely separate meal options, or dishes that used to have meat that are just fine without it. And since I don't feel the same moral sentiment of an AR person, I don't see why I shouldn't eat it, so long as I work to give the animals that I very gratefully and appreciatively use the respect they deserve. I have met vegetarians that are of this opinion rather than AR. Even vegans, too. They don't consume animal products because of the cruelty more than from the rights perspective.

I do consider myself an ally to AR people- I appreciate the view even though I don't share it, and I feel many of our goals are the same. The fact that I get verbally assaulted most times I talk with them notwithstanding...